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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline additional july

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8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening fade to black

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bespoke radio

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how you doing today is wednesday october

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295 days into the new year only

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71 days left we are live from a bunker

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a bunker that is somewhere in the middle

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of beautiful downtown burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and

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kgra the planets

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how

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you doing how you doing

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excited tonight

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very special guest continuing our

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haunted october

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tonight it's the return of richard dolan

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yeah man we're gonna get the latest

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gonna get the latest out of richard ufo

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uip news from around the world we'll

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discuss all of that and of course

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a fun informative comprehensive

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conversation about anything that's what

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do with richard it's gonna be great

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and uh it's been a while since he's been

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and more on that in in in just a bit i'm

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gonna bring that up with uh

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richard and uh very excited very

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excited it's always great when he's on

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the show and it's really

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as uh simple as that so

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uh what a great week uh we have had on

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sylvia uh vampires on

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a monday night i learned so much that

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was a great show

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last night the haunted queen mary uh

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aiden sinclair and becca knight and

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susan slaughter wha what a great show

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last night

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and tonight richard dolan tomorrow night

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of course open lines all

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night long and last night we did talk

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our haunted weekend with the queen which

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is going down next weekend i want to

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remind everybody what is happening here

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it's october 29th through november 1st

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this is an interactive live streaming

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ghost hunt that you are in control of

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on the queen mary the queen mary is

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hours okay empty ship it's going to be

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uh that you can control and and uh

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select uh throughout the ship at the

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most haunted locations

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uh on the ship and of course friday

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going on a ghost hunt it's going to be

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incredible now you can come and join us

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it's all very simple we have banners

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over at jimmychurchradio.com

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you can click there um down below

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here uh on youtube in the description

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box there is a link

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there too as well click on the link go

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and get registered but you can

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also use the promo code jimmy and you'll

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get another discount

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and i'm really looking forward to this

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this is going to be

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this is this is um not only

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for a virtual event for any event like

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this this is a

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big big deal um it's a it's a huge

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production and i'm really looking

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forward to this and you want to be a

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four straight days 24 hours a day okay

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all right so go and get registered

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and i was uh right before the show

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tonight

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and uh the bunkers lit up by the way the

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uh got fixed today it's nice in here man

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i was roasting

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last night but so um

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uh i was doing some work in the studio

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and uh you know with that with the mic

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some stuff and some wiring and uh

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doing some things and there was a pop

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and a click and one of the speakers and

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and i could see on the bunker cam

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which is on this computer here i could

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the crystal skulls look at that

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just lit up and i could see him from the

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other side i was like wow

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but the microphone was up here it wasn't

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down here with it it's kind of blocking

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but man they just look good

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so happy so you can go and get your own

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crystal skull right now go

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and visit einstein the crystalskull.com

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the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com it's simple

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einstein the crystalskull.com

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go and see carolyn ford and use that

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promo code jimmy 10

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off of your order today and maybe you've

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got a crystal skull

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you want a second maybe you have 10 you

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want to add to the collection or you

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want your

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first head over to einstein the

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crystalskull.com

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an imprinted skull next to einstein

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in his lair right there you go

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all right follow me on twitter at j

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uh follow me on twitter at j church

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radio um

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too much about this um and i can't

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until the future but uh i was hanging

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and uh that was just taken and

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that was taken and i'm holding up my

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flipping the bird

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so anyway that's what that was all about

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and there's gonna be some more news on

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that shortly

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okay uh hashtag f2b is the sandbox come

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and hang out with us we have two chat

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rooms open spreaker

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and of course kgra the planet hello to

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everybody on youtube

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uh everybody on facebook everybody on

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the bunker cam that is watching the

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video hello to everybody

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and uh go ahead and and chat away

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with uh with whatever you feel

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all right one of these nights and i keep

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talking about it i've done it once or

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twice

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but i've got to hang out with everybody

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on facebook

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you know there's thousands of people

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i i just need to hang out just one night

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go through the chat i got to get out of

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my comfort zone my comfort zone

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is it for me it's it's twitter right in

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uh uh youtube and hang out or

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that i appreciate everything that's

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at the bottom of the hour email is

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jimmy at jimmychurchradio.com let's get

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to the breaking news

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went down yesterday more is happening

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that's because yesterday nasa's

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successfully touched down on the ancient

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to collect a sample which will hopefully

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on the early universe and possibly the

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eastern time the probe descended 2641

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and extended its 3.35 meter sampling arm

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and touched the space rock for about

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it won't be clear until later today and

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osiris-rex was successful in its mission

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the goal is to collect at least 60 grams

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primordial cargo which at one point

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cool osiris-rex will return to earth

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with the samples

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on september 24th 2023

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when it parachutes into utah's west

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desert incredible now this was announced

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today one of the biggest surprises of

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this or any other century because

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in a newly released film pope

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civil unions for same-sex couples

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the already heated controversy over the

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catholic church's teaching

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on homosexuality the pope's words

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and of course they made that

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announcement today right okay they had

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to

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will likely put pressure on catholic

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bishops in the developing world to

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tolerate

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legal recognition of same-sex unions and

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oppose

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anti-anti-homosexuality views

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and laws now here is the quote

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from pope francis homosexual people have

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a right to be

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in a family end quote right

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the new documentary is called francesco

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which premiered at the rome film

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festival earlier

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today now remember by contrast in 2018

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just two years ago pope francis said

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that there would never be

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any gay priest in the catholic church

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is this turning things around we shall

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see

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all right now also the other big news of

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the day purdue

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pharma which raked in more than

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35 billion dollars in cash on oxycontin

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sales agreed to plead guilty to criminal

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charges today

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to defrauding the federal health

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agencies and

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violating anti-kickback laws

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purdue pharma and other opioid makers

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are blamed for the explosion in

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addiction and overdose deaths

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across the country as part of the deal

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the company will admit it conspired to

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defraud the federal government

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admitting it knew some of its customers

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were diverting oxycontin to the black

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market

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and it will also admit it paid kickbacks

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to doctors to write prescriptions

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the agreement requires purdue pharma to

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dissolve

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and that the sackler family to

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relinquish ownership and control

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assets were are to be transferred to a

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public benefit company owned by a trust

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that will benefit the public by

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providing treatment for opioid addiction

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absolutely incredible eight billion

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dollar fine

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there are there are reports

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that as this started to go down the

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sackler famine is literally

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withdrew 10 billion dollars

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out of their checking accounts in cash

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that's right where did that money

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go let's get the show cracking happy

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birthday to today the one and only

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one of my idols steve cropper

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steve cropper today is 79 of course the

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guitar player in the blues brothers

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producer and guitar player for otis

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redding producer at stax records

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a session musician at stax records

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guitar player for booker t and the mgs

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the house

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band for sam and dave

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and everybody else over at stax records

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absolutely incredible 79 years old happy

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birthday steve

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elvin bishop today is 78

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one of the greatest songs in the history

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of everything fooled around and fell

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in love lux interior

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now you know we're starting to get up

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there in years when i say this

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lux interior of the cramps

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charlotte cafe of the go-go's

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the guitarist today is 67.

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where have the years gone right

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thinking think of the video right now

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vacation

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right there's charlotte she's 67.

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the bay city rollers guitar player eric

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faulkner not not faulkner from judah's

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priest

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i know what you're thinking eric

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faulkner is

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65 and also today guitar steve lukather

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of toto

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is 63. our dead guy's birthday today is

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moment of silence please carrie fisher

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1956 to 2016 died at the age of 60.

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princess leia that's right in all of

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those star wars films and

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and some of my favorite films of all

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time like shampoo

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the blues brothers the burbs

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and soap dish carrie was on a commercial

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flight on december 23

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2016 from london to los angeles when she

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suffered

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a medical emergency around 15 minutes

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before the aircraft landed

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she was then taken by ambulance to the

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ronald reagan ucla medical center

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and on the morning of december 27 2016

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after being in intensive care for four

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days she died at the age of 60.

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the day after carey's death her mother

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debbie reynolds suffered a stroke and

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was taken to cedar sinai medical center

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where she died

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later that afternoon happy birthday

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princess leia on this day in history

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1967

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100 000 people march in washington dc

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to protest the war in vietnam

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and that was pretty much their turning

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point of

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any public support fader fact

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here we go you know every day i get to

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the fader factor and i say this is the

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best fader fact ever you know what right

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now

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this may be the greatest fader fact of

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all time

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you ready llamas

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llamas that spend too much time around

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humans get berserk

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llama syndrome and it's real

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the struggle is real

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and then once they get berserk

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llama syndrome they believe

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that humans are fellow llamas

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but what happens then well

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they sneak up behind you and attack

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and that is your fader fact

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tonight very special guest right here

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right now

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richard dolan we are going to discuss

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all of the ufo uap news around the world

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and of course another open-ended

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conversation with uh

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richard and uh we'll see where the night

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goes it's always amazing and

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such an honor to have him here with us

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tomorrow night

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long

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all right so we'll get to that fader

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night tomorrow night and i have air

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conditioning in here

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uh so with that let me hit this river

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rivermooncoffee.com if you've

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never ever experienced fade to black

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blend

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you've got to do it it's it's absolutely

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without question

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the best coffee in the world and uh yeah

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i talked to juanita today

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it's it's so funny uh uh called wanting

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to tell her you know how great

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uh things are and and the coffee and

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just she's like i'm packing up a box of

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stuff to send to you

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oh got more on the way the last

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bag was used up today so yeah

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it's it's it's like that and uh

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if you've never had that feeling you've

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got to get some fade to black blunt

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because then you're going to go through

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what i

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and all the other fader knots anybody

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else goes through

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i it's one it's it's down to one bean

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you know and you you're you're putting

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the the beans in the grinder

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and you know that's like oh man this is

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my last pot

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and your porn and you hear one bean left

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in the bag that

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thing and if it bounces out onto the

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countertop you pick that

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one bean up and you because that makes

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all the difference

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and you put that just place that bean in

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there

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yeah aid to black blend river moon

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coffee dot com

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too good

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does the berserk llama syndrome include

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alpacas

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that's funny melinda saturday night love

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the bay city rollers i knew somebody was

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going to go there

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i think i saw the bay city rollers on

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like the mike

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that's what i remember that was a long

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time ago all right

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richard dolan let's talk about richard

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richard dolan probably has done more for

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disclosure

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than just about anybody on planet earth

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now before you go hold on church

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no listen to me now the word has

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been around in news for a very long time

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but honestly it didn't really pick up

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traction until his book with bryce zabel

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a d

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after disclosure was published back in

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2012

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now did

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did richard coin the term or invent the

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word

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of course not i get it

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but he is the reason why you use it

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today

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this is a fact the way that disclosure

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was presented by bryson dolan back then

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forced

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everyone to look at things a bit

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differently

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including myself the book also

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allowed my mind to go in different

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directions on the subject

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and i've often discussed these ideas

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with richard both on the show and

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in private and this is what a great book

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is supposed to do

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it's supposed to inspire you to think

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so as i continue to develop

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my own versions of what real disclosure

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might be

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i started to speak about them

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and i thought that most people would

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agree with me

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or at least have an open mind and and

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consider

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alternate versions of the concept

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but i couldn't have been more wrong

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i remember when i was hosting the

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closing night panel on disclosure a

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contact in the desert a few years ago

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and richard was on that panel by the way

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and i'm just thinking back and i know

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peter lavender

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was was there linda moulton howe uh

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and others it was uh it was a it was a

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great panel but

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um and

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it's like this i said to the crowd now

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if you were there fine you get it

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but i said to the crowd

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which was met with a large

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loud audible round of booze

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from the 2000 people who were packed

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into that ballroom

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now my response to the audience was this

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i said hey

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i've seen what i've seen i'm trying to

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chill it out right

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you know i've had my disclosure man you

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know

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and then i turned to the crowd and i ask

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what do you need

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do you have to have the president of the

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united states announce it on live

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television

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the place erupted cheers applause

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standing ovation

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now what i learned from that moment was

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simple

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my version of disclosure is my own

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and although some may agree with me most

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do not

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disclosure for the vast majority of the

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ufo community

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means just one thing a live broadcast to

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the world with potus announcing that

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we're not alone right

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we haven't continued to make contact

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with extraterrestrial intelligence that

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exists

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elsewhere in the universe that

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is what this community wants and of

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00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:30,000
course i have to agree

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that would be a very cool day if and

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00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:33,360
when it happens

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for sure and i get i do i get it now

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since then i have asked the question

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countless times on the show which is

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00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:42,559
this

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00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,080
what is your definition of disclosure

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now although i've done this over and

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over again it has turned out

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for me to be one of the most important

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questions you can ask of a guest

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because everyone has their own meaning

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and

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what it means to them

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and here's the strange thing nothing has

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changed

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with what disclosure means to me

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00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,320
right with all of these answers and now

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00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,640
i know as well that no matter how many

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times i can express my

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00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:18,720
thoughts on the issue people out there

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00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:19,360
are not

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going to change their minds either

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it is what it is the question is

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00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,159
has disclosure changed richard

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now think about this because tonight i

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want to explore these issues

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we are at the turning point in history

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right

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now we all know this and there was

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nobody better to disclos

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discuss disclosure than the person who

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00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:50,159
helped us all better understand the word

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00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:53,679
so that we can use it so freely today

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and so for that we all owe a big debt of

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things

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to richard bleep and dolan and i'm gonna

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do just that when i come back after this

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short break

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black on the game changer network and

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kgra the planet you can follow

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me on twitter at jchurchradio you can

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start right there you can

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rich dolan it's right there in the

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email is jimmy jimmychurchradio.com i'll

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stay with me

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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real jimmy church on the game changer

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network and kgra

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the planet tonight richard dolan is here

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we'll get to richard in just a second

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tomorrow night is fader night

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open lines all night long you can follow

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me on twitter at jchurchradio

746
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you can follow richard on twitter at

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rich dolan everything is up in the feed

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and you can go and do that now

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tonight with richard we're going to have

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an open discussion like we always do on

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the current state of

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00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:23,599
the ufo and uap question

753
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,640
and where are we with disclosures 2020

754
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:28,720
winds down and we now look ahead

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00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:32,079
officially to 2021 richard of course is

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00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,599
one of the world's leading researchers

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and writers on the subject of ufos

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and believe that they constitute the

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00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:39,680
greatest mystery of our time

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00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:42,160
he completed his graduate graduate work

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00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:44,000
at the university of rochester

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00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,760
where he studied the u.s cold war

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strategy european history and

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international diplomacy

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00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,040
richard also studied at alfred

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university and oxford university

767
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,520
he has written so many books and he is

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00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,359
the author of course of ufos in the

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00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:59,359
national security state i just talked

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00:36:02,069 --> 00:35:59,760
about

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00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,079
a.d after disclosure that he co-authored

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00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,520
with bryce zabel

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00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,320
and of course his latest book ufos in

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the 21st century mind we're still

775
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,520
waiting for that new one richard

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00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:11,680
of course he hosts his weekly radio show

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00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,320
he's live on youtube every week and uh

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00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,760
with tracy and

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00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,920
he has appeared on hanger one the ufo

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00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:19,760
files and close encounters and ancient

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00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,640
aliens

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00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,680
and of course he has richard dolan press

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you can go to richardpress.com for all

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00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:27,599
of the info i'd like to welcome back to

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fade to black

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richard bleep and dolan richard how are

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00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,160
you man

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00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,920
hey jimmy thanks for having me back it's

789
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:35,760
always fun to be on your program now

790
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:38,079
okay quit being enthusiastic now check

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00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:39,280
this out

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00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:43,599
time you were on the show was

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00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:47,200
july 22nd three months ago

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00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,000
to the day wow what what happened

795
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,000
what's going on how did we let that

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00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,079
happen man

797
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:59,280
time flew by yeah i mean i i i checked

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00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:00,480
up on that

799
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:03,680
and i i actually i couldn't believe it

800
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:07,359
uh it has been three months and it seems

801
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,440
it actually seems longer but yeah

802
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,960
because it does to me as well

803
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,640
yeah we can't let it happen again let's

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00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,640
not living in an upside-down world

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00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,960
we can be forgiven yeah we are and

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00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,079
that's for sure

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00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,240
and uh there's there's another piece of

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this too as well and i want the

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the audience to know that uh richard and

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i in a previous life

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00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,560
we used to uh have uh sometimes daily

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phone conversations or

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00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,520
every other day and it went on for a

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00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,200
while um and

815
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:37,680
even that has slowed down life has

816
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,720
gotten crazy

817
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,720
and this is what i want to do i want to

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00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:42,400
get your commitment richard

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00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:45,680
that we can get tracy and rita to start

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00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:46,160
saying

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00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,400
quit talking to each other so much right

822
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,400
let's get back to that i think tracy

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00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:54,079
told me that the last time i was on with

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00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,720
you

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00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,640
on a private call because as i recall

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00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,920
that went for quite some time

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00:38:01,510 --> 00:38:00,079
yes and uh so let's get back to it man

828
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:01,520
we can't we can't uh

829
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:04,079
let the world affect us so and that

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00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:04,720
means

831
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:07,359
yeah that being said uh everybody right

832
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:07,760
now

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00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:11,359
is leaning closer to their speakers

834
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closer to their audio source because

835
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they know

836
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i'm about to ask you what was the last

837
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:19,440
song you listened to today

838
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,760
oh man well it's lucky for me that i

839
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,119
remember it

840
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,160
um and this is not anything in rock

841
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:30,320
history or any any disco which i also

842
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:31,040
love

843
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,320
this is something in the bossa nova whoa

844
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:37,119
genre and it was the famous song with

845
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:37,920
stan getz

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and the divine singer astrud

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gilberto oh the girl the girl from

848
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ipanema

849
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:52,310
listen uh rita and i first off

850
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:55,920
that song uh means a lot to me well

851
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:58,640
anybody that uh knows what we're talking

852
00:39:02,550 --> 00:38:59,359
about

853
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,560
that song stirs emotions right but

854
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,160
read it beautiful songs it's a beautiful

855
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:05,920
song and and

856
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:09,280
her voice astrid's voice um and

857
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:13,040
and gilberto her uh husband the guitar

858
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,480
player yeah

859
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,720
joe i guess yeah you pronounce it right

860
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,240
right you know what i'm

861
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,240
i'm showing brazilian it's portuguese

862
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:23,119
like i never was good with that one

863
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,880
me neither but beautiful language but i

864
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,640
just cannot pronounce it and

865
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,040
rita and i went through probably six

866
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,040
months or a year

867
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:34,480
of really getting into

868
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:37,599
that uh part of uh of

869
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,839
of music it was how do i say this

870
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:44,000
his influence all the way through to

871
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:44,880
like um

872
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,920
and hers you know from frank sinatra and

873
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,359
and everything that was going on in the

874
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,440
60s and their influence

875
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:53,599
on music around the world it cannot be

876
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,480
measured

877
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,320
you know it's um it's got this

878
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,800
combination of being ultra

879
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,040
civilized and ultra cool like it's

880
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,960
really got both of those vibes it's the

881
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:04,960
cool side of the pillow for sure

882
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,599
yeah yeah for sure well okay see you

883
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,119
just went up a notch man

884
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,359
i didn't think he could that's right

885
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,800
that's pretty impressive

886
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,400
it's pretty impressive all right now

887
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,400
look let's uh let's get straight to it

888
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,560
there's so much to discuss tonight but

889
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,240
one of the things

890
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,880
uh that i brought up in my little

891
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,119
opening rant tonight

892
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:28,240
is the word disclosure and although you

893
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,520
and i have discussed this

894
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:32,079
many times in the past and and certainly

895
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:33,440
this community

896
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,880
uh uses the word uh pretty freely today

897
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,800
and then outside of the community as

898
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,560
well but

899
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,520
i i want to give you the credit that you

900
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,720
deserve

901
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,480
you didn't coin the term right the

902
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:47,920
word's been around

903
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,599
but the way that uh and the influence

904
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:52,800
and the weight

905
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:55,920
of a.d uh after disclosure had

906
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,880
within this community the way that they

907
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,800
use the word today

908
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,359
does get credited to you so i want to

909
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:05,040
take the opportunity right now to thank

910
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,079
you for that

911
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:08,640
but uh sometimes i didn't realize that

912
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:10,319
but but thank you for telling me well

913
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:10,640
you

914
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:14,400
etymology of the word

915
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:17,680
is is one thing but the etymology inside

916
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,079
of the ufo community

917
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,839
goes back to you and people use it so

918
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:24,000
freely today and they don't understand

919
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:25,119
subconsciously

920
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:27,920
why it's such an easy word to use but

921
00:41:34,349 --> 00:41:30,400
this is where i want to start

922
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:34,359
disclosure for you back in 2010

923
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:38,480
2011 2012 when the book was published

924
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:42,079
and what that word was to you then

925
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:45,520
has it changed yes in 2020

926
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,800
sure has how absolutely absolutely very

927
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,240
much so

928
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,560
i will just say when you know when we

929
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:53,920
wrote after disclosure

930
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:58,160
in 2010 um in the few years before

931
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:06,069
i was being asked constantly in the ufo

932
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,359
community

933
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,760
to talk about disclosure and i resisted

934
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,520
it very strongly

935
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:13,359
i didn't want to talk about disclosure i

936
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:15,920
always felt that that was a premature

937
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:17,839
subject

938
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,960
i'm talking like 2005 2006 because even

939
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:21,839
then

940
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,800
it was circulating and but but i was

941
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,079
pulled into it

942
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,079
because of the nature of the work that i

943
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:29,680
did back then which

944
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,280
was very uh i tried to do very careful

945
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:34,720
history which dealt with the ufo

946
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,760
phenomenon and the ufo cover-up

947
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,119
and anytime you're talking about the

948
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,000
cover-up inevitably

949
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,599
you know the other side of that is well

950
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,960
the end of the cover-up and so that

951
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,480
would be disclosure so i was

952
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,400
i was asked about it almost from the

953
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,480
first time that i entered the ufo field

954
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,920
but i resisted it

955
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:54,240
and i just didn't want to do it i felt

956
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,119
um

957
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:57,359
it was too speculative for me but

958
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:58,800
eventually i just threw in the towel

959
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,160
i started having conversations with

960
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,240
bryce zabel who bryce

961
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:05,040
found me i didn't find him and we ended

962
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,640
up really hitting it off and we decided

963
00:43:12,150 --> 00:43:08,640
let's write this book

964
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:12,160
so when we wrote it in 2010 in the space

965
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,880
of six months

966
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,240
it was like lightning it was an

967
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,359
unbelievably efficient project

968
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,720
um it was a different world in 2010

969
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,400
i mean there was a world in 2010 where

970
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,079
you could actually believe that social

971
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,920
media could be a force for positive

972
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,119
change

973
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,359
it was a world where i mean you know

974
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:31,920
honestly like we believed that back then

975
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:35,200
we believed that the internet could

976
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:36,000
actually be

977
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,000
free for at least a while um

978
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:41,839
so so it was different so the

979
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,800
assumptions we had were

980
00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,720
you know i coined the this phrase that

981
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:48,160
disclosure was

982
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,839
impossible and inevitable this paradox

983
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,079
um impossible in the sense that there

984
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:56,400
was never going to be a motivation for

985
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:59,359
those individuals and groups that had

986
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,319
the secret

987
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:02,160
to want to give it up because we

988
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,960
concluded they just had too much to lose

989
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,800
and when you really think about the long

990
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:08,640
history of the ufo cover up it makes

991
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,920
perfect sense that they would not want

992
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,599
to give that up because you're not just

993
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,640
talking

994
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:15,280
social instability which yes that's a

995
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:15,680
big

996
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,640
consideration but also technology also

997
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,839
money

998
00:44:22,990 --> 00:44:22,079
even then we were really deep into the

999
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,000
whole

1000
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,400
privatization of secrecy you know it was

1001
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:29,119
very well understood even in 2010

1002
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,000
that what we call the black budget world

1003
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:34,000
was

1004
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,440
deeply privatized and

1005
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,280
you know i wasn't using the phrase but a

1006
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,839
legal form of illegality

1007
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,520
so all of that i mean we kind of knew it

1008
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:45,200
was in place and we we knew

1009
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,480
there's not going to be any initiative

1010
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,880
coming from those guys but inevitable

1011
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,880
even so and and why was it inevitable

1012
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,640
and it's because you know organizations

1013
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:54,240
like wikileaks were new

1014
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,240
back then um and

1015
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:01,200
you know social media was new and even

1016
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,560
things like skype and

1017
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,800
you know video calling all that was new

1018
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:06,319
so

1019
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:11,280
exploding in terms of

1020
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:14,560
information and so that

1021
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,920
and then you know other things like

1022
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,440
development of artificial intelligence

1023
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,720
and stronger computing and better

1024
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:19,760
algorithms

1025
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:22,640
which the idea that we were having is

1026
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,440
that this would be

1027
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:25,520
something that the people would have

1028
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,079
access to and would be able to utilize

1029
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:30,480
for our benefit and that that would be

1030
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,359
our weapon

1031
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:34,640
to fight

1032
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:38,079
for disclosure and to pull information

1033
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,560
out

1034
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,160
whether legally or not it didn't matter

1035
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,839
because you had the example of wikileaks

1036
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,359
you had julian assange getting

1037
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,200
and bradley manning and you know chelsea

1038
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,800
manning getting

1039
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,280
horrific like war crimes out of the u.s

1040
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:52,160
pentagon and just putting it out there

1041
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,680
and so it was a really exciting

1042
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:58,240
time for those people who believed that

1043
00:46:02,150 --> 00:45:59,680
the people could change the world you

1044
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:02,160
know and fight the system

1045
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,440
so from that point till now we've seen a

1046
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:06,720
complete reversal

1047
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:09,119
right at least in my view of of that

1048
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,079
whole paradigm and

1049
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:13,200
and um you know where we see the the

1050
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,160
truly destructive elements of social

1051
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:17,839
media not not simply on an intellectual

1052
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,560
life but on a social life in general

1053
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,680
and how the control has what we've

1054
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,119
really seen is a

1055
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,839
counter revolution by let's call them

1056
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:29,040
the elites whatever we're going to call

1057
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,359
them

1058
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,000
the corporate upper upper echelon

1059
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:34,720
hierarchy that's really owns this world

1060
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,200
uh they brought facebook they brought

1061
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,880
google youtube they brought

1062
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:41,520
you know all of the the new media

1063
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:42,079
twitter

1064
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:45,200
obviously into uh kind of folded into

1065
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,400
the old media

1066
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,000
you know the legacy media like the the

1067
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:50,240
tv like you know the major networks and

1068
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,359
so forth so now they're

1069
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:53,599
they're all part of really a mockingbird

1070
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:56,000
operation mockingbird system once again

1071
00:47:03,750 --> 00:46:59,839
so that window that was a window

1072
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,760
of freedom at least so it seemed in 2010

1073
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,040
um i don't think we can save that

1074
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,119
anymore i think that window is closed

1075
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,480
so so when we talk about disclosure now

1076
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:11,760
we have to ask

1077
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,960
what are the tools that ordinary people

1078
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,400
have

1079
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,720
um you know like when bryce and i wrote

1080
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,839
after disclosure we

1081
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,599
we really thought well what if there's

1082
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:24,000
just a hell of a good ufo sighting like

1083
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:26,079
we we picked the city of montreal just

1084
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:27,040
because

1085
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,480
like we threw dart on the map of the

1086
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,559
world like okay montreal

1087
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:32,160
and what if there's this amazing

1088
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,760
sighting and it's caught on video

1089
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:35,359
and enough people get it it goes up on

1090
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:38,960
youtube and it becomes this undeniable

1091
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,599
event that has to be explained in some

1092
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,119
way or another and it causes this

1093
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:46,000
cascade effect um you know this is the

1094
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,280
kind of

1095
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,640
thing that we were engaging in we were

1096
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:50,160
trying to speculate out and think well

1097
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,720
what

1098
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,520
cause disclosure so maybe a sighting

1099
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:55,280
that couldn't be explained away

1100
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,559
another thing that we thought might

1101
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,640
cause disclosure would be a leak

1102
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,559
a leak that would be a really really

1103
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:01,920
good leak

1104
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,680
that again would be an undeniable event

1105
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,200
that people would look at and think oh

1106
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,440
wow that that's absolutely true

1107
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,599
can't deny that and then boom here comes

1108
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:12,800
the avalanche so

1109
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,839
these are the things that we were

1110
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:16,160
thinking of i think what we

1111
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,599
would i i'm not going to speak for bryce

1112
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:20,400
here but i i think what i underestimated

1113
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,240
was the power of that establishment at

1114
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:25,760
the very top

1115
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,440
to be able to handle anything

1116
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,200
anything that comes their way they are

1117
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:32,960
good and really what they've done in the

1118
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:35,599
last decade is

1119
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:39,520
is so rapidly consolidate their control

1120
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,079
over um every digital media yeah

1121
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,800
yeah yeah everything everything i mean

1122
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,240
we've we have gone

1123
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:51,359
so far into china to be

1124
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,680
into like china territory as a society

1125
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:55,760
it's uh i could not have predicted this

1126
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,720
even

1127
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,119
predicted how far we were going and

1128
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:01,119
we're already going really far by

1129
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:05,119
2017 2018 2019 and uh this last year has

1130
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:05,920
just been

1131
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,559
out of control so i you know i look at

1132
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:09,839
disclosure differently now

1133
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,480
and i that doesn't mean that i say it's

1134
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:14,240
fully impossible i

1135
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,680
i mean we're living in a world where

1136
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,119
there's a lot of things that are still

1137
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,720
topsy-turvy and

1138
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,880
and unexpected things can happen they

1139
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:24,400
absolutely can but

1140
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,400
the kinds of openings that i was seeing

1141
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:31,200
in after disclosure i i you know it's

1142
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,920
different now

1143
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,920
and i'm proud of that book i think you

1144
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:36,240
know we did we did a great effort

1145
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,520
and i stand by it but no book is going

1146
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:41,680
to stand the test of time 100 it's just

1147
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,800
not possible

1148
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,480
and you know the last decade things have

1149
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,240
moved so fast it's

1150
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,280
really remarkable to see now i i brought

1151
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:52,160
this up earlier and i want to remind you

1152
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,160
of that that moment uh three years ago

1153
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:58,559
at a contact in the desert when we had

1154
00:50:01,589 --> 00:50:00,000
the disclosure panel

1155
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,599
and i'm hosting it you're on the panel

1156
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:03,680
and and on sunday night

1157
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:06,559
uh packed room right 2 000 2500 people

1158
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:07,839
sitting in front of us

1159
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:10,960
and i made the mistake of

1160
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,160
and of saying i

1161
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:17,040
don't need i was going down through all

1162
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,359
of

1163
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:20,079
uh the panelists about their definition

1164
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,599
of disclosure

1165
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,599
and and i turned to the audience and

1166
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:25,359
said i don't need disclosure

1167
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:28,559
and it was booze

1168
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:31,200
and and at that and you remember that

1169
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,920
and

1170
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,440
i actually don't but i'm sure i jumped

1171
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,599
on you wait well but hold on

1172
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:37,599
yeah exactly i know exactly why i would

1173
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:38,720
have exactly

1174
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:42,559
and so i then said to the audience

1175
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:46,079
um well i've seen what i've seen i don't

1176
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,680
need disclosure

1177
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,920
are you are you and i turned to the

1178
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:50,960
audience and said is

1179
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,160
is it do you is disclosure to you

1180
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,559
the president of the united states uh

1181
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,559
you know announcing on live television

1182
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,079
and then the place erupted

1183
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:03,440
right and it was all cheers and i don't

1184
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:06,640
think no matter what i may say or you

1185
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,440
or anybody else out there the community

1186
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:10,880
probably the world

1187
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:14,240
in in general only looks at disclosure

1188
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,960
that way

1189
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,800
don't they and you're not going to

1190
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,800
change their mind they actually should

1191
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,559
right that's actually the proper way to

1192
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:22,800
look at it and the reason is

1193
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,359
it's not because we need the president

1194
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,800
to tell us the truth

1195
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:28,720
like of things that we already know

1196
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:32,160
that's not the reason the reason is

1197
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:35,200
we forget okay like we forget how

1198
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:37,760
desperately we want our system to

1199
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,480
work we want our political system to be

1200
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,480
responsive to us

1201
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,079
and when you're talking about something

1202
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:48,319
that is this important

1203
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:52,000
the the the presence of highly advanced

1204
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:53,920
intelligences that are here

1205
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,000
on this planet interacting with us

1206
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,640
in ways that we still need to understand

1207
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,920
fully and completely

1208
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,520
well we need a functioning political

1209
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,960
system and

1210
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,440
for those of us who believe in this

1211
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,440
chimera of representative government

1212
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,520
a government that is supposed to

1213
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,440
represent the people will endam it

1214
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,599
they have to be responsive to us they

1215
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,960
have to work for us

1216
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,400
that means the guys that the people at

1217
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:20,079
the top of that system that's the

1218
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,440
president

1219
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:23,520
they work for the people and so if

1220
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,720
they're not going to work for the people

1221
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:26,319
then what the hell do we have

1222
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,680
well we have something other than what

1223
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,760
we what we want we don't it's not a

1224
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:31,440
representative system we have an opaque

1225
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:32,400
system

1226
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,599
and the problem is we've

1227
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:37,359
you know everyone who's listening now is

1228
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:38,720
old enough to know that like we

1229
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:41,359
you've never you have never lived in the

1230
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:42,160
actual

1231
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,240
american system the way you were taught

1232
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:45,680
it was supposed to be like that hasn't

1233
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:46,400
existed

1234
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,079
didn't exist in my lifetime i was born

1235
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:50,319
in 1962 when john f kennedy was

1236
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,040
president

1237
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,839
and it well he was maybe he was the last

1238
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,200
hurrah back then they took

1239
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,160
him out there there hasn't been that

1240
00:53:01,430 --> 00:53:00,079
type of representative system in a

1241
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:01,440
meaningful way

1242
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:02,720
in the lifetime of anyone who's

1243
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,520
listening so and we want it

1244
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,920
and we should want it and maybe we will

1245
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:09,440
never ever have it again

1246
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,839
maybe that's gone but it doesn't mean we

1247
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,720
don't want it so

1248
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:15,040
the idea of disclosure of having a

1249
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:16,400
president

1250
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,559
with the truth or at least as much truth

1251
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:24,880
as possible on us that's what we want

1252
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:29,040
and and if we ever give up on that

1253
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,520
on that need well then you've just

1254
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:33,040
you've given up on america

1255
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,400
and you've given up on the world because

1256
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:37,680
that's that would be an awful thing to

1257
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:40,720
give up on now the reality is

1258
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:48,150
in what form will a genuine kind of

1259
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:49,920
disclosure come

1260
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:52,720
it may not come from the u.s president

1261
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:53,200
that's

1262
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,880
entirely possible it may not happen that

1263
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:56,800
way but that's what we

1264
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:00,000
should want in my opinion we should want

1265
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,760
the proper representatives of the people

1266
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:06,400
working on behalf of those people to

1267
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,839
tell the truth

1268
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:09,599
and that's why they cheered when you

1269
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:11,599
said should it be the president

1270
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:14,319
well and and we we're we're at such a

1271
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:14,880
weird

1272
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,000
uh place right now where

1273
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,359
uh just about everybody on this planet

1274
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,160
has had their life affected and changed

1275
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,400
there really isn't any exceptions there

1276
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:28,559
isn't any country that is isolated there

1277
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:28,960
isn't

1278
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:32,400
you know where um whatever those reasons

1279
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,200
are maybe it's

1280
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:35,280
jobs or the economy or they've lost

1281
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,319
family members

1282
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:39,680
or it could be a geopolitical issue

1283
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,440
there's so there are a multi racism

1284
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,599
and we can go on and on and on it's not

1285
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,079
just one specific thing but we can

1286
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:51,200
all feel it it's not intangible

1287
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:54,319
anymore right it's this is a tangible

1288
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:57,839
turning point in history does the ufo

1289
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:59,040
question

1290
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:01,119
get locked into this yes i wanted a

1291
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,640
chance to talk

1292
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:04,559
um i'm actually writing two books right

1293
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,160
now so i'm

1294
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:09,280
i'm finishing one of them they're not

1295
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,559
long books they're like a couple hundred

1296
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:11,760
pages each

1297
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:14,960
um back in june i did two

1298
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,359
online lectures you know when everyone

1299
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,880
was in covet lockdown and there were no

1300
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:20,079
conferences anywhere

1301
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:23,359
i had the opportunity to do a one-day

1302
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:25,520
online conference and it was on june 6

1303
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,799
of this last year and

1304
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:29,040
it was a great experience actually we

1305
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:30,319
had a lot of people attending it

1306
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:32,960
it went well i was happy with it i gave

1307
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,680
two

1308
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,760
fresh lectures on things that i had

1309
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,760
never discussed before

1310
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:40,160
uh one of them was what i call the

1311
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,200
impending

1312
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,359
fourth stage of humanity and actually

1313
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:45,839
how the covet lockdown crisis is is

1314
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:48,640
hastening us toward that and i actually

1315
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,920
think it would be relevant to talk about

1316
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:51,599
that and then the other lecture

1317
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:54,160
uh and that's i'm turning that into a

1318
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:55,680
book right now which i'm finishing

1319
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:58,400
is on the alien agendas and i say

1320
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,760
agendas plural

1321
00:56:02,870 --> 00:56:01,280
uh it's the first time that i really try

1322
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,880
to dive into what i think

1323
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:05,440
is the nature of the alien presence here

1324
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:07,040
on planet earth

1325
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:08,480
i've written about ufos a lot but i

1326
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:09,839
really haven't written a lot about et's

1327
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,799
or aliens and so i've decided to do it

1328
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,400
but the the first of the lectures the

1329
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,240
fourth stage of humanity they actually

1330
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:18,079
go together these two because

1331
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,280
it seems to me that we're being visited

1332
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:24,079
right now because we are moving into

1333
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:25,599
what i am calling the fourth stage of

1334
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:26,319
humanity

1335
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:29,680
and covid the crisis the lockdowns

1336
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:32,079
are hastening that and um i don't know

1337
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,599
if we have to go to a break if i

1338
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:35,200
don't have any time to get into this but

1339
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:36,640
i would love to discuss this with you

1340
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:39,359
yeah uh and let's let's actually do that

1341
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,240
after the break

1342
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:43,040
i have uh uh and i think it's kind of

1343
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:44,160
great that we haven't

1344
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:47,280
had you on the show uh for the last

1345
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:50,319
three months because of the developments

1346
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:52,640
that have happened not only over the

1347
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,520
last year but

1348
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,520
certainly over the last three or four

1349
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:56,960
months where

1350
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:59,359
everybody can now join in on the

1351
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:00,319
conversation

1352
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:04,400
of things are influencing your head

1353
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:07,119
that are out of your control and you

1354
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:08,240
think that

1355
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:12,400
it's your world and it's and it's

1356
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:16,000
it it as it turns out i think everybody

1357
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,359
clearly understands

1358
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:20,160
that social media the news and the media

1359
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:20,640
and

1360
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:23,920
whoever is doing the string pulling

1361
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,720
you know the puppet show i don't i don't

1362
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,040
think really that matters as much

1363
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:31,359
what is more important is that people

1364
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:32,640
understand

1365
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:36,400
that their mind their head is being

1366
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:39,520
messed with and and they understand it

1367
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,480
now it was

1368
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:42,720
we couldn't have had this conversation a

1369
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:43,599
year ago

1370
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:47,280
you remember uh fake news in 2016

1371
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,880
you thought you would have thought that

1372
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,640
that would have been enough

1373
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,160
right that that would have been for

1374
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:54,559
everybody to go well wait a minute here

1375
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:58,240
okay uh they are messing with

1376
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:01,920
us and uh humanity has amnesia

1377
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,040
and here we are 2020 and it is blatant

1378
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,640
isn't it richard it's blatant well yes

1379
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:09,839
uh now

1380
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:13,359
i don't know the specifics that you're

1381
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:15,359
getting at in this particular case but

1382
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:16,720
yes i mean in general i

1383
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,000
i absolutely agree with you um

1384
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:22,880
what we're seeing is a tribalization of

1385
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,839
the world so

1386
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:25,680
you know whereas 10 years ago we thought

1387
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:27,200
oh social media is going to bring us all

1388
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:28,240
together because

1389
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,359
you're going to get all these different

1390
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,760
points of view and you'll be able to you

1391
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:33,119
know weigh this one against that one

1392
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,640
against that one against this one

1393
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,400
and we'll all be smarter and better for

1394
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:38,160
it and what we've discovered of course

1395
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:39,040
is um

1396
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,880
exactly the opposite that we become

1397
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,240
tribal so

1398
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:44,400
uh people who are uh you know

1399
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:45,280
conservative

1400
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:48,400
are liberal get their liberal bubble

1401
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,720
and nfc algorithms the facebook algos

1402
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,839
the algorithms that

1403
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:53,520
actually promote that and they

1404
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,880
specifically do that

1405
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and it all has to do with generating

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advertising revenue um

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and people who've studied this they

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think they i think they understand it

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very well now

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so what what we're seeing is a

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balkanization or

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tribalization of humanity where you

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could almost argue that everyone's

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getting their own version of fake news

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because it's

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the news and the information is

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customized to them

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to accord to the prejudices and

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predispositions of each person

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right to the individual it's absolutely

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incredible so yeah we're gonna that's

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exactly what i'm talking about we'll

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pick

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up all of this after the break richard

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stay right there because

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uh that conversation that we're about to

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have

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is what i want to remind everybody of

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right now which is that last year

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websites shared over 100 trillion pieces

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of personal data this data has taken on

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uh is taken from users of various

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websites including

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the one that you are on right now okay

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it's very simple

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i don't like being spied on by

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please visit virtual shield dot com

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forward slash fade to black

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or click on the link right now in the

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jimmy church tonight the one and only

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richard

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bleepin dolan on the game changer

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network

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and kgra the planet you can follow me on

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you can follow richard at rich dolan

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right there on twitter we'll be right

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back after this short break stay with us

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hello this is serena wright taylor from

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church on fade to black

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across the globe on the game changer

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welcome back fade to block i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight richard dolan is

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with us

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tomorrow night is fader night open lines

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all night long

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you can follow richard we're talking

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about social media next

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you follow richard on twitter at rich

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dolan you can follow me

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at uh jay church radio and and richard

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okay we're gonna pick up right where we

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01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:27,680
left off about a year ago

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01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:30,799
i wrote a column and you know before

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01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:32,079
covid before

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01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:33,920
what is going on right now but i you

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01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,559
know i wrote this column and i said

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that two or three hundred years from now

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ten thousand years from now there's

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01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:43,039
going to be a history teacher

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01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:47,039
speaking to the class and they will say

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that modern man started in 1995

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01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:54,079
right and that that's where history

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01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:55,760
officially started

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01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:58,000
and you know because of the internet and

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everything else

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01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,480
and and that that was uh

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the modern age that's where everything

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not not you know

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1900 you know not year zero

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01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:12,160
and nothing like that that it would be

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history is going to look back at this

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01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:14,400
time

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now here we are with 2020 and i truly

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believe and

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agree with you this is a new age richard

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there's no question about it yeah i

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think you i think

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1995 is a pretty good year to have

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selected you could have picked 1995 some

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people would have picked 2012

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you could pick 2020 you could pick 2001.

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almost doesn't matter

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right because we're we're in the they're

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all part of a very rapid transition

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and you've just given me a perfect segue

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to talk about this idea of a fourth

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stage of humanity

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because it's really quite relevant to

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01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:48,559
what you were just talking about

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um it occurred like i love to study

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history i've studied it my whole life

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01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:55,200
and not just ufo history it's

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01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,359
and not just modern cold war history and

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01:08:02,950 --> 01:07:59,839
not just the 20th 21st century but

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really all of human history

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01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:04,880
and that means human pre-history that

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the whole thing just fascinates me

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and i'm studying it

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literally all the time um and what

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01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:14,240
occurred to me is

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when you look at the very very long view

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01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:17,920
of

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have we been here it actually it's

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01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:24,319
interesting if you

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01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,400
were to ask how long is homo sapiens

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sapiens existed

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like this exact species that we are um

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01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:32,640
when i was a kid when we were kids

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these were almost the same age i

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remember reading about cro-magnon man

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and

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they were the earliest version of humans

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01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,799
uh that existed and actually that number

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01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:48,319
has been pushed back further and further

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over the years we're now back to more

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01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:51,120
than 300

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01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:54,560
000 years uh of human beings

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who genetically uh are identical to us

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at least in all the fundamental ways

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like they could interbreed with us and

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01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:03,679
we we couldn't agree with them no

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01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,480
problem

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they are our species so the human

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species

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we're not talking about the neanderthals

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or any other you know homo erectus or

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any of those guys

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homo sapiens so 300 000 years

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and if you ask yourself what what

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01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:24,159
form of existence what form of society

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01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:26,640
did human beings have for nearly all of

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01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:27,520
that time

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the answer would be one form and one

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01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:31,679
form only and that form is hunting and

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gathering

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and that's how people lived and they

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01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:36,239
lived that way for

1680
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:39,759
300 000 years until about 10 000 years

1681
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,600
ago a little more than that

1682
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,920
when our ancestors some of them

1683
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,120
developed

1684
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,759
agriculture and animal husbandry in

1685
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:49,279
other words they

1686
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,440
rounded up some animals and domesticated

1687
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:53,359
them like you know

1688
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:55,840
the dog and goats and sheep and things

1689
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,640
like that

1690
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:59,280
and they started to plant crops and all

1691
01:10:02,310 --> 01:10:00,400
of that is only

1692
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:02,320
a little more than 10 000 years ago you

1693
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:04,159
want to push it back to 15 000 years

1694
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:05,360
fine

1695
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:08,159
but you know it's quite recent so that's

1696
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:08,960
that's the

1697
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:11,360
second stage of humanity is the

1698
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:13,520
agricultural revolution

1699
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:15,120
you think of that first stage it lasted

1700
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:17,920
for so long so long

1701
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:19,199
then we have this revolution the

1702
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:20,719
agricultural revolution which just

1703
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,400
changed human society

1704
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,320
it gave us cities it gave us the roman

1705
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:26,000
empire it gave us all of the other

1706
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:26,719
things

1707
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:28,320
uh it gave us writing it gave us the

1708
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,000
wheel what

1709
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:32,239
we call civilization and that's how

1710
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:33,199
humans

1711
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,719
you know develop their lives for the

1712
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:36,640
most part for the next many thousands of

1713
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:37,199
years

1714
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,719
until we hit the third stage of humanity

1715
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,560
and that's much more recent

1716
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:44,880
and i would argue that that was the age

1717
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,960
of science and industry

1718
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:48,560
and they're not exactly the same the

1719
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,159
scientific revolution maybe you could

1720
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:51,840
say 400 years ago

1721
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,800
you know rene descartes galileo and

1722
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:56,239
isaac newton

1723
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:57,760
and then that led to the industrial

1724
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:00,640
revolution that started in britain

1725
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:04,239
um in the mid 1700s but those two in

1726
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:05,280
tandem

1727
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:08,320
once again revolutionized human

1728
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,600
civilization

1729
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:12,239
in in equally dramatic ways that's the

1730
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:13,760
third stage of humanity

1731
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:15,679
that's the stage that all of us were

1732
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:17,199
born into

1733
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:20,080
and i think if you really uh when we

1734
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:20,880
think about it

1735
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:24,080
we probably all of us just assumed

1736
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:27,360
that this this is the

1737
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,880
this is the new permanent stage of

1738
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:30,400
humanity we're just going to keep

1739
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,760
more and more progress more and more

1740
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,360
progress and it'll just keep going but

1741
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:35,280
that's not what's happened

1742
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:38,400
so we've uh had enough incremental

1743
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:39,679
changes that we are now

1744
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:42,719
on the verge of the next

1745
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:45,920
massive leap and i don't

1746
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:47,679
have a name for it other than maybe i

1747
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:50,000
don't know the transhumanist phase or

1748
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:53,360
maybe the 24 7 surveillance 5g phase i

1749
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:54,640
don't know

1750
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,280
right right but but it's but it's a

1751
01:12:03,669 --> 01:11:59,040
fundamental

1752
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:03,679
the others and the reason is that it's

1753
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:06,159
completely reorganizing human society

1754
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:07,280
because it involves

1755
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,800
not simply the 5g uh smart device

1756
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,080
revolution which we're

1757
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:14,719
we're only starting that so in other

1758
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:16,719
words with with 5g and smart devices in

1759
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:18,560
everyone's home and in society

1760
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:20,480
you will never have privacy ever again

1761
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:22,080
forever like that's

1762
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:24,400
gone that's like the world will become

1763
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:25,840
exactly like china because

1764
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:28,640
it's going to be an inevitability but

1765
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,239
much more than that

1766
01:12:33,390 --> 01:12:32,640
um there's what you know economists are

1767
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,400
calling the

1768
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,679
robopocalypse which is here comes a

1769
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:37,360
terminator not to kill you

1770
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:40,159
just to take your job and we're seeing

1771
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:40,640
that

1772
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,920
intellectual labor not just a lot of the

1773
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:49,520
you know

1774
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,840
robots and factories but actually robots

1775
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,360
doing your taxes or

1776
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:55,280
defending you in court or whatever like

1777
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:56,880
that's going to happen

1778
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,080
increasingly and it's it's not like all

1779
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:02,560
human interactivity in the global

1780
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,000
economy is going to go away but it's

1781
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:06,239
think of it as a game of musical chairs

1782
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:08,000
where you have the same number of kids

1783
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:09,360
but someone keeps taking the chairs out

1784
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,320
of the room

1785
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:12,719
and so there's less and less genuine

1786
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:13,760
opportunity

1787
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:17,040
for people to do meaningful

1788
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:19,520
have meaningful work but but it's not

1789
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:20,880
doesn't even end there then you've got

1790
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,520
the ai revolution and you've got

1791
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,480
uh you know what's going to be happening

1792
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:28,080
with this fourth

1793
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:33,120
stage of humanity i argue is

1794
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,960
well it's it's turning humanity into one

1795
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:36,560
big ant hill

1796
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,320
i i guess is maybe one way to look at it

1797
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:40,480
where you know we're seeing a

1798
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:42,960
global legal revolution a bureaucratic

1799
01:13:46,750 --> 01:13:43,920
revolution

1800
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,760
where the entire globe is being

1801
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:48,080
micromanaged

1802
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:51,440
not even by people uh so much as by

1803
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,920
algorithms

1804
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:55,520
now there are you know there are always

1805
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:56,960
going to be those people who are sitting

1806
01:14:01,750 --> 01:14:00,080
on top of the global hierarchical

1807
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:01,760
pyramid

1808
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:04,320
but uh you know i've been thinking about

1809
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:05,600
this for a long time like

1810
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,520
you know the uh the brief life of the

1811
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:09,360
middle class which only really lasted

1812
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,120
for a couple of hundred years

1813
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:13,920
middle class only developed during the

1814
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:15,760
industrial revolution because

1815
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:17,440
it was beneficial to those people at the

1816
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:19,120
very top of the chain that's right

1817
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:21,120
because what what they realize is that

1818
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:22,960
by unleashing

1819
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:26,400
freedom and entrepreneurial creativity

1820
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:29,360
to an entire large group of people you

1821
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:30,320
were unleashing

1822
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:33,120
genius that eventually that ultimately

1823
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:34,000
would help you

1824
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:35,280
they would create better products they

1825
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:36,320
would create the railroad they'd

1826
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:38,080
telegraph the automobile and all of

1827
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:39,040
these other things

1828
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:41,440
and and you the the person at the top

1829
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:42,080
would be the

1830
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:44,000
a great beneficiary of that so it was in

1831
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:45,760
your interest to have

1832
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,600
all of this freedom and these free

1833
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,120
people running around these

1834
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:51,440
smart inventive americans and smart

1835
01:14:56,229 --> 01:14:53,280
inventive people from other countries

1836
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:56,239
creating it created wealth it created

1837
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:57,520
all of this amazing stuff

1838
01:15:01,189 --> 01:15:00,000
but what i i started believing this a

1839
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,199
few years ago

1840
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:03,600
which is that that era now that's going

1841
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:04,560
away

1842
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:07,920
like that is no longer necessary

1843
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:10,400
for those people at the top to benefit

1844
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:11,840
in the same way they don't need it

1845
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:13,120
they have algorithms that are doing a

1846
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:14,880
lot of the intellectual labor now

1847
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:18,320
well and i want to uh i want you to

1848
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:20,480
expand on something that

1849
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:23,760
uh you mentioned but we actually blew by

1850
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:26,320
it and it's very important to

1851
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:29,520
uh to just document to state which is

1852
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:30,560
this

1853
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:33,040
in each of these stages they have

1854
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:33,679
happened

1855
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:36,719
faster and faster and faster and faster

1856
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:40,239
300 000 years 10 000 years

1857
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:44,239
300 years 20 years

1858
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:47,520
right i mean each one of them has it's

1859
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:48,880
gotten to the point where

1860
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:52,000
and especially this last 20 years where

1861
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,320
this progress has happened so quickly

1862
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:56,480
that the majority of it

1863
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:59,280
we don't understand and it is out of our

1864
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,480
control

1865
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:03,120
and what the next phase if there's going

1866
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:03,520
to be

1867
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:07,920
24 hours

1868
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:10,800
right is is it going to be like that

1869
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,560
well yeah so like the third phase the

1870
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,920
industrial scientific phase

1871
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:15,600
we could say maybe lasted for you know

1872
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:17,360
roughly 300 years

1873
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,840
so we're just starting this fourth phase

1874
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:21,840
so we i don't know how long we can

1875
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:22,719
expect it to last

1876
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:25,280
maybe it will be stable uh because it

1877
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:27,840
might be a totalitarian system

1878
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,960
that relies on sheer

1879
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:32,880
utter control and therefore stability

1880
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:34,400
like that's a possibility

1881
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,239
like every system will develop its own

1882
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:38,000
kind of stasis

1883
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:41,840
um so i don't know it's a good question

1884
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:44,960
like when when you know in my earlier

1885
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:46,080
years i

1886
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:47,679
i might have gone on the assumption that

1887
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:49,199
we're living in a world of constant

1888
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:50,800
revolution but

1889
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:53,360
it's actually possible that this new

1890
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:55,040
phase

1891
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:58,400
creates a a

1892
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:01,280
level and i don't know how to put this

1893
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:02,880
visually but like a

1894
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:04,400
it might keep us at a certain level for

1895
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,080
a while it's possible

1896
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:08,159
well totally possible if you could if

1897
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:09,600
you create a system

1898
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:11,920
where you you have a biologically based

1899
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:13,280
caste system which i think we're moving

1900
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:14,000
toward as well

1901
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:15,280
designer babies for people who can

1902
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:17,199
afford them sure uh and all these other

1903
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:18,239
things like

1904
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:20,800
that that could create a stability not

1905
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:21,920
not saying it's a good thing but it

1906
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:23,760
could create a stability for a while

1907
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:27,520
possible when we when we talk about

1908
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,480
you know the replacement of jobs one of

1909
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,239
the things that i can say

1910
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:34,560
for everybody that they could absolutely

1911
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:35,600
relate to

1912
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:38,719
when you look at the investment uh

1913
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:41,120
side of things where you have a big bank

1914
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:41,760
you know

1915
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:43,520
an investment for morgan stanley

1916
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:45,760
whatever where they used to have

1917
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:49,280
floors hundreds if not thousands of

1918
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:49,760
people

1919
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:53,280
controlling the stock market investments

1920
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:56,320
clients and and so just floyd

1921
01:18:00,790 --> 01:17:58,080
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds are

1922
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,800
now run by two people

1923
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:03,360
where did all of those jobs go and you

1924
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,080
can go

1925
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:06,800
all the way to to wall street when you

1926
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:07,840
think about

1927
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:11,360
uh the the insanity right that ant hill

1928
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:12,159
that you're talking

1929
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:14,560
about right which was the floor of the

1930
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:16,080
stock exchange

1931
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:17,440
today well he has a different kind of

1932
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:19,360
anthill but yeah right we're moving into

1933
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:21,440
a different ant hill

1934
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:23,120
uh we're moving into an ant hill where

1935
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:25,120
people i think literally are going to be

1936
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,800
very very tightly controlled by a

1937
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:28,719
centralized authority

1938
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:29,840
in a way that we've we've not

1939
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:31,840
experienced maybe like a medieval

1940
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:33,760
village experience that type of

1941
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,239
totalitarian mind control or you know

1942
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:38,239
islam under shariah law would experience

1943
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:40,320
that type of maybe total control but but

1944
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,280
in a in a modern secular world

1945
01:18:46,630 --> 01:18:45,440
what we're about to go is is something

1946
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:46,640
like that

1947
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:48,000
and and it's going to be necessary

1948
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:50,719
because when you you take away people's

1949
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:55,040
livelihood and you you support them by

1950
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,800
some form of a universal basic income

1951
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:58,480
which that's another of these ways that

1952
01:19:02,790 --> 01:18:59,280
that kovid

1953
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:02,800
has has moved us very very fast

1954
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:05,120
uh into that reality you know a year ago

1955
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:06,480
we were only talking about this

1956
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:09,199
in theory now it's it's not a theory but

1957
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:11,120
when you when you uh have an entire

1958
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,760
world of

1959
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:13,520
as henry kissinger used to call them

1960
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:15,920
useless eaters you know people who are

1961
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:17,600
getting money but there's no work for

1962
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:20,480
them the the question that any ruling

1963
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:22,080
establishment is going to have is how do

1964
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:24,080
you control those people

1965
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,360
how how do these restless masses

1966
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:29,760
get controlled well i mean one solution

1967
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:31,679
might be to you know kill them all or

1968
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:34,560
to do a kind of uh georgia guide stones

1969
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:35,280
on them

1970
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,199
maybe and get the population down but

1971
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:39,679
one one easy way

1972
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:42,000
would be to uh create some kind of

1973
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:43,280
infertility perhaps

1974
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,400
and but but

1975
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:48,800
the primary thing is you have to engage

1976
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:50,320
in mind control

1977
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:53,520
serious mind control and and that means

1978
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:56,159
you've got to control google facebook

1979
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:57,280
all the algorithms

1980
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:00,320
must be totally controlled and and and

1981
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:04,800
all fringe ideas must be expunged

1982
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:06,560
and this is exactly what we're seeing of

1983
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:09,199
course but uh it fits right in with the

1984
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:10,159
needs of it

1985
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:13,280
of the new totalitarian system that is

1986
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,320
inevitably going to happen

1987
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:18,719
when you when we create a global system

1988
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:19,920
of such

1989
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:23,440
economically centralized power

1990
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:26,880
uh and centralized by which i mean like

1991
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:29,440
control by the very very wealthiest

1992
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:30,239
people

1993
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:34,080
and that's the bankers the banksters uh

1994
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:35,360
you've got to find a way to control the

1995
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:36,400
people it has to be done with mind

1996
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:37,280
control and

1997
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:40,639
today you know that's not with religion

1998
01:20:45,910 --> 01:20:42,000
that's done with

1999
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:45,920
so you've got to distract the people of

2000
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,400
course

2001
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:48,800
you got to have opium for the masses

2002
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:49,920
entertainment's got to become more and

2003
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,040
more stupid which it

2004
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:53,120
does right uh more and more meaningless

2005
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:54,960
and and then of course

2006
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:57,760
uh drugs both legal and illegal have to

2007
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:58,840
be

2008
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,280
widespread you know got to give people

2009
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:03,760
that release so that people can

2010
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:05,040
basically live their lives in

2011
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:06,239
fantasyland

2012
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,679
because that's really the only

2013
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:09,360
opportunity they're going to have

2014
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:12,080
so you you give them that and you allow

2015
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:14,080
them no other actual freedom so think

2016
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:15,520
what was that spielberg movie ready

2017
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,920
player one that type of a thing i i

2018
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:19,280
really do think is what we're moving

2019
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:19,920
toward

2020
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:23,120
and that's unfortunately from my vision

2021
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,320
that's the fourth

2022
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:26,560
stage of humanity and and i think from

2023
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:28,080
there we'll go from bad to worse i think

2024
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:28,560
we're

2025
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:32,800
that's going to come out of this

2026
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:36,719
now you mentioned algos which uh

2027
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:40,159
algorithms uh as as time goes by

2028
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:43,280
algo is going to be used as freely as

2029
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:44,560
like disclosure

2030
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,880
everybody's going to understand uh more

2031
01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:48,400
about it absolutely

2032
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:50,000
and the algos are going to be really

2033
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:51,840
smart

2034
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:54,719
they're already becoming very very

2035
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:55,520
intelligent

2036
01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:57,600
uh there's algorithms now that are able

2037
01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:58,719
to write

2038
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:01,920
uh you know like very

2039
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:04,560
generally speaking coherent articles yes

2040
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:04,960
yes

2041
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:07,760
news releases you know the guardian

2042
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:09,760
which is basically trash newspaper but

2043
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:10,400
they

2044
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:15,199
algorithm uh earlier in the year and

2045
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:15,920
it's

2046
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:19,760
and and here's

2047
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:23,440
here's the most fascinating thing

2048
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:26,159
um and i'm going to say this directly i

2049
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:27,199
don't want to get

2050
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:29,679
my social media shut down or anything

2051
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:30,800
like that but this is

2052
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,880
these are some of the facts yeah you got

2053
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:34,719
to be very careful these days

2054
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:38,000
which is which is this um in

2055
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:42,480
in 1990 91 92 93 94 95

2056
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,080
the uh the creators

2057
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:48,719
in silicon valley the engineers the code

2058
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:50,880
writers and the visionaries

2059
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:53,120
listen to punk rock music and were

2060
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:54,400
rebels

2061
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:57,760
and they they they looked at

2062
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,120
the internet as sticking it to the man

2063
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:03,280
and that that was that was what they

2064
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:04,320
enjoyed

2065
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:08,159
but those rebels those

2066
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:12,400
rule breakers back then today

2067
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:15,679
all owned private islands in fiji

2068
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:18,719
they are not in touch

2069
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:22,480
with reality and they don't care

2070
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:25,920
those algos that you are speaking of

2071
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:28,560
that they created back then to

2072
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:31,760
to figure out how to tailor advertising

2073
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:34,239
to the individual which was great it was

2074
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:36,000
visionary and they tried to figure out a

2075
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:37,920
way to make money on the internet now

2076
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:42,159
i i understand that but those algos

2077
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:45,199
have run amok and they are not in

2078
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:46,639
control of it now

2079
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,880
and i'm not so sure that they really

2080
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:50,960
care well they're they're directing the

2081
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,400
algorithms politically

2082
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:54,080
i don't i think you know this has to be

2083
01:23:58,229 --> 01:23:56,000
brought up because it's it's absolutely

2084
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:58,239
an issue these days that's right uh i

2085
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:59,679
was just hearing that facebook you know

2086
01:24:01,590 --> 01:24:01,199
is now being accused of having brought

2087
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:01,600
in

2088
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:05,760
political

2089
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:12,159
like basically to turn facebook you know

2090
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,120
even more

2091
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,840
onto the chinese model and now facebook

2092
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:17,360
has said that's nonsense we hire people

2093
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:18,800
from everywhere but

2094
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:20,800
uh i think that's the project veritas

2095
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:22,800
scoop and i'm a big fan of project

2096
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:23,840
veritas and

2097
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:26,639
i think they're probably right on this

2098
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:29,040
but the point is that the algorithms are

2099
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:31,520
there they may be out of control one day

2100
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:32,960
but right now they're they're definitely

2101
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:33,360
under

2102
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,560
human direction it seems to me

2103
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:38,719
um although increasingly we don't know

2104
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:40,480
how those algorithms are

2105
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:43,040
doing what they do so that is true yeah

2106
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:46,880
yeah have you seen the social dilemma

2107
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:51,120
not yet okay probably this week okay

2108
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:54,320
that's the social dilemma uh

2109
01:24:58,229 --> 01:24:56,159
not to spend a whole lot of time on this

2110
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:58,239
i want you to go and see it first and

2111
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:58,800
then you know

2112
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:00,639
absolutely want to and plan to it it

2113
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,320
sounds uh very very important

2114
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:04,400
i can't wait for that phone call we're

2115
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:06,080
gonna have after you

2116
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:08,080
watch it yeah but but what is

2117
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:09,440
interesting about it

2118
01:25:13,350 --> 01:25:12,639
for me most interesting is that you have

2119
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:13,360
these

2120
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:16,560
uh different uh

2121
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:20,000
creators code writers visionaries from

2122
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,760
all of the all of the companies out of

2123
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:23,280
silicon valley it's not just

2124
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:26,560
one but each one of them

2125
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:30,159
pretty much had the same message look uh

2126
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:33,040
we did what we did we didn't have any

2127
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:34,159
idea

2128
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:36,960
that it would get out of our control and

2129
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:38,800
change society

2130
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:42,719
as quickly as it did unfortunately

2131
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:46,080
it's too far gone there's there's

2132
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,280
there's no way to to change the course

2133
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:51,760
uh unfortunately we have to ride this

2134
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:52,400
out

2135
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:55,600
that's the overall message there

2136
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:58,639
and it's it's it's a scary well and it's

2137
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:01,760
who is speaking that's the thing

2138
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:04,800
and it's uh it's like oh

2139
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:08,080
wow and but that's where we are today

2140
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:11,520
and and the the the

2141
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:15,440
the overall statement is that

2142
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:18,000
everybody down to the individual and you

2143
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:19,600
said this earlier

2144
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:23,840
has a world tailored to them

2145
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:27,920
and your your wife your neighbor

2146
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:31,120
your coworker your schoolmate it doesn't

2147
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:32,080
matter

2148
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,679
they have a world also created for them

2149
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:37,120
that is different from

2150
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:40,880
yours they think the world out there

2151
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:43,920
is like what they have in social media

2152
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:45,600
that everybody else is reading and

2153
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:47,040
seeing the same things

2154
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:50,159
and that is not the case it's it's it's

2155
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:52,960
absolutely crazy when we think about the

2156
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:53,840
implications

2157
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:57,040
but it's actually real it's the reality

2158
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:58,639
that we are in today yeah

2159
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:01,760
and it's hard for uh us and definitely

2160
01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:02,719
your listeners

2161
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:05,600
to remember because you're listeners

2162
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:07,120
you've got smart people who listen to

2163
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:07,520
this

2164
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:10,639
program of yours but uh so though the

2165
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:13,760
folks who listen to fade to black

2166
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:16,320
by and large are going to be have much

2167
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:17,920
more initiative i guess we could say in

2168
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:18,960
terms of like

2169
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,719
researching and finding information

2170
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:22,400
doing but you know most people are not

2171
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:23,679
like that

2172
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:26,800
most people don't do

2173
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:30,000
research they really don't um they

2174
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:31,040
they didn't do it when they were kids

2175
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:32,400
they didn't do them as adults they

2176
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:33,360
haven't they don't have the

2177
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:36,800
really training uh or desire

2178
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:40,960
or time and so on their facebook feed

2179
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:43,679
that's where many many people get their

2180
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:44,400
primary

2181
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:48,400
news these days um and so there it's

2182
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:50,400
really easy to manipulate people i guess

2183
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:51,679
is what i'm saying

2184
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:54,320
now you know it's not easy to manipulate

2185
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:56,000
everybody

2186
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,880
but the large number of people in this

2187
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:00,080
world

2188
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:03,120
it's it's not that tough enough to

2189
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:04,159
control what they think

2190
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:06,800
i did uh an aggregate of numbers last

2191
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,360
week

2192
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:09,600
and and i presented them once again and

2193
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:10,400
i've done this

2194
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:13,600
uh maybe once a year but check this out

2195
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:15,280
as we head to the break this is

2196
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:18,639
digest this richard seven that

2197
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:22,480
all as of october 1st 2020

2198
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:25,440
7.8 billion people on the planet simple

2199
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:26,960
number

2200
01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:30,239
point four billion are on

2201
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:33,280
the internet of that seven point eight

2202
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:36,000
four point four billion is just like

2203
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:37,360
sixty percent something like

2204
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:40,800
of that four point four billion three

2205
01:28:49,470 --> 01:28:44,159
point nine billion of those

2206
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:49,480
use google out of that 4.4 billion

2207
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:52,719
3.9 billion use

2208
01:29:01,750 --> 01:28:57,760
youtube out of that 4.4 billion

2209
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:01,760
3 billion use facebook

2210
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:04,719
out of all of that i'm talking about the

2211
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:06,080
entire planet

2212
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:10,320
right now right now

2213
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:14,320
nearly all of the 4.4 billion

2214
01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:18,080
on the internet are using all three

2215
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:22,000
at the same time now you want to talk

2216
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:22,400
about

2217
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:25,840
global control right now that's a whole

2218
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,360
other issue and if

2219
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:29,280
the united states government or france

2220
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:31,520
or england or china or russia want to

2221
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:32,000
get

2222
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:34,960
you know teed off and cry about it

2223
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:37,040
unfortunately there's not a whole lot

2224
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:38,719
any of them can do

2225
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:41,600
because in a geo-political position

2226
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:44,000
there is nobody with more control

2227
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:46,320
than those three and that's well there's

2228
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:48,719
a movement to break up the big tech

2229
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:51,280
you're not gonna win it's possible i

2230
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:52,239
don't think so

2231
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:55,920
i really don't i i i i really do

2232
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:58,800
i really don't that would be locked up

2233
01:30:03,030 --> 01:29:59,760
in court

2234
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:03,040
forever they have the this is not

2235
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:06,480
a t right this isn't belt telephone or

2236
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:06,880
even

2237
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:10,239
rockefeller

2238
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:13,199
it's it's crazy let's continue this i've

2239
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got

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i know how it would be done honestly but

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i know that you've got

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uh democrats and republicans a lot of

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republicans uh for obvious reasons

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01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:21,920
they've

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01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:23,920
got a real beef with google and facebook

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01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:25,760
but uh democrats as well

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01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:28,880
and uh you know anyone who's afraid of

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major corporate tech power intruding on

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01:30:36,070 --> 01:30:33,520
their lives should be concerned

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01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:36,080
uh there is talk about it and you are

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01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:36,719
probably

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01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:39,920
but

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01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:41,360
uh i would like to at least see some

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01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:44,000
effort made on that because um

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although what would it even do you know

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when when they broke

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01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:51,120
uh john d rockefeller ended up making

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01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:52,719
more money on that

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than he had when he when it was unified

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um

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01:30:59,430 --> 01:30:58,719
breakup of a t probably very similar you

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01:31:01,910 --> 01:30:59,440
know

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01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:01,920
what about what is this a decade later

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01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:03,360
that's right

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01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:05,199
what is it that you are going to break

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01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:07,600
up we're talking about

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01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:10,880
google that runs the internet that runs

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the world

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and every single piece of gear

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that runs infrastructure right yeah that

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01:31:22,709 --> 01:31:19,360
runs communications that runs

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01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:22,719
telecommunications it's just like

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01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:25,120
it it is a crazy situation that we find

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01:31:28,229 --> 01:31:25,840
ourselves in

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01:31:30,310 --> 01:31:28,239
like this next break that i have to take

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01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:30,320
richard you just stay right there

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01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:32,239
what a great conversation richard dolan

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is our guest i'm your host jimmy church

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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dolan at ridge dolan on twitter we'll be

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[Music]

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01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:15,030
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:16,639
jimmy church our guest tonight richard

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01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:17,360
dolan

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01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:19,840
you can follow richard on twitter at

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rich dolan and follow me on twitter of

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01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:22,800
course

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01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:25,360
at j church radio tomorrow night is

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01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:27,920
fader night open lines all night long

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01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:30,320
and uh richard we are in the middle of

2376
01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:32,080
our haunted rocktober

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01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:34,239
uh we're in the middle of this and uh

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01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:36,639
renee uh one of our producers here just

2379
01:36:41,750 --> 01:36:38,719
sent me an email and said hey jimmy

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01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:41,760
you've got to ask richard if he's ever

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01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:42,320
seen

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01:36:54,629 --> 01:36:52,950
oh you have okay all right okay

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01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:54,639
i don't know if i could say i saw a

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01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:56,320
ghost but

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01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:00,320
i had a uh a very

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01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:04,080
uh amazing experience that i will gladly

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01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:05,520
share with you

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01:37:09,990 --> 01:37:08,320
and your listeners um it is something

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01:37:11,709 --> 01:37:10,000
i've shared on a limited basis

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01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:11,719
on my website over at

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01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:13,360
richardlandmembers.com so the folks

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01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:14,159
there

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01:37:17,669 --> 01:37:16,239
know about this but it was it's probably

2394
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:17,679
the most

2395
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:21,199
bizarre paranormal experience of my life

2396
01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:24,560
and it only happened two years ago

2397
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:28,639
my dad passed away on december

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01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:31,760
uh second of 2018 so just about two

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01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:33,040
years ago

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01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:35,440
he was a month shy of turning 80. so he

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01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:38,080
lived a long life he was a

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01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:40,000
we were very close i guess i could say

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01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:41,760
and

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01:37:46,149 --> 01:37:44,239
so i was at home with tracy here in

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01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:46,159
rochester

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01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,880
uh that evening i just talked with him

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01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:50,159
earlier that day he

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01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:53,280
he was hospitalized and i mean i knew he

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01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:54,880
wasn't well but i wasn't expecting him

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01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:56,239
to die

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01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:58,400
um last thing i said to him on the phone

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01:38:02,390 --> 01:37:59,679
by the way was i love you

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01:38:03,189 --> 01:38:02,400
i was very glad that i got to say that

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01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:03,199
but anyway

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01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:04,960
uh i'm sitting on the couch with tracy

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01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:07,119
we're we're side by side laptop by

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01:38:12,149 --> 01:38:09,040
laptop we're each working right

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01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:12,159
in the living room and it was

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01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:15,280
um about 20 minutes after eight in the

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01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:16,000
evening

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01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:20,159
and i had these two ceiling lights

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01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:22,719
that i had just had a licensed

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01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:25,040
contractor install in the living room

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01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,400
they were on a dimmer setting so they

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01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:28,239
were these nice little dimmer lights you

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01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:29,440
know

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01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:31,040
and they were on at the time and they

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01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:32,880
were on the dimmest setting

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01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:36,000
just because i wanted them on and out of

2430
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:37,600
the blue tracy looks up and she says

2431
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:39,040
what is going on with those lights

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01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:41,280
and i look up and they were going bright

2433
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:43,600
and dim bright and dim and bright and

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01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:44,000
dim

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01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:47,199
that

2436
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:49,679
pace and i remember looking at them

2437
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:50,960
thinking what the hell is going on with

2438
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:52,960
those lights those are just installed

2439
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,360
brian our contractor he's a good

2440
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:57,440
contractor why isn't he's working

2441
01:39:02,790 --> 01:39:00,080
i'm bitching as i get up off the couch

2442
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:02,800
and i walk over to these lights

2443
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:06,320
and they were just spazzing out

2444
01:39:11,109 --> 01:39:09,280
and i thought well that's messed up so i

2445
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:11,119
i took the dimmer switch and i turned

2446
01:39:14,229 --> 01:39:12,560
jammed it all the way up and then down

2447
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:14,239
and turned the light on and off a couple

2448
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:15,440
of times

2449
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:18,560
and that stopped it 15 minutes later my

2450
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:20,000
sister called me to tell

2451
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:22,000
me that our father had died 15 minutes

2452
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:24,320
earlier wow

2453
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:27,760
yeah so um now he was no that's a

2454
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:28,639
genuine

2455
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,159
yeah right he was in the town of erie

2456
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:36,239
pennsylvania he was about 150 miles away

2457
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:36,719
from us

2458
01:39:41,189 --> 01:39:40,080
at that moment and when i think about so

2459
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:41,199
there's a couple of things i can think

2460
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:42,880
so like was it a coincidence and i'm

2461
01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:43,840
like no that's

2462
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:46,239
i am never you're never going to get me

2463
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,000
to say coincidence on that

2464
01:39:51,669 --> 01:39:50,320
like i suppose people will believe what

2465
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:51,679
they want to believe and if they are

2466
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:54,560
absolutely disposed to say it's

2467
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:55,760
impossible that there could be a

2468
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:56,800
connection they will

2469
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,480
maintain this impossible but i'm i'm not

2470
01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:00,400
going to do that it seems

2471
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:02,400
too extraordinary to me those lights

2472
01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:04,080
were perfectly installed

2473
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:07,199
they have not done a thing since and i

2474
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:07,760
know i

2475
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:10,400
i picked out the wiring myself i watched

2476
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,520
the whole thing being installed and the

2477
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:13,280
guy who did it was a pro

2478
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:16,320
they're perfect um so

2479
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:18,800
think about the logistics of what a

2480
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:20,159
let's call it a ghost

2481
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:23,119
my dad's ghost right he was 150 miles

2482
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:24,239
away

2483
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:27,040
at his moment of death what exactly did

2484
01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:27,920
he do did he

2485
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:29,840
did he fly across the new york state

2486
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:31,280
throughway at instant

2487
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:34,159
light speed get into the wiring like

2488
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:36,960
find our house find the living room

2489
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:38,880
find where i was sitting with my wife

2490
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,560
get into the wiring

2491
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:43,280
of the of the most visible lights that

2492
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:43,840
would be

2493
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:47,119
ideally suited for us to see

2494
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:49,920
and then somehow screw with them like

2495
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:51,360
how did how does that happen

2496
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:53,840
that's the pragmatic way to look at it

2497
01:40:57,350 --> 01:40:54,480
of course

2498
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:57,360
right absolutely now now there's you

2499
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:57,600
know

2500
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:59,040
and i've talked to a lot of people about

2501
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:01,360
this by now and

2502
01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:04,719
you know i think we could say that my

2503
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:08,000
father's consciousness or his

2504
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:10,320
soul or his spirit something something

2505
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:11,760
non-local

2506
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:15,760
to his body sought me out

2507
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:17,440
like i i could believe that he and i

2508
01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:18,960
were close

2509
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:22,320
and i could see my father

2510
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:24,880
retired cop old tough guy with us a

2511
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:26,800
guard inside his mouth

2512
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:28,480
calling me saying hey richie look what i

2513
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:30,639
can do to your lights

2514
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:32,719
it's really great over here like that's

2515
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:35,119
what i could interpret

2516
01:41:42,629 --> 01:41:39,520
i i can say that that experience um

2517
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:42,639
i consider it my dad's final gift

2518
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:46,719
you know to me and and to us uh

2519
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:49,119
i mean again i can't really prove it and

2520
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:49,760
i mean i

2521
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:52,719
you know me i always try to be very

2522
01:41:55,510 --> 01:41:53,520
fact-based

2523
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:55,520
evidence-based in whatever i i think

2524
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:57,600
about this world but

2525
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:00,880
i also try to have an open enough mind

2526
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:03,119
and to be brave enough to look at

2527
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:04,800
evidence when it's presented to me and

2528
01:42:08,229 --> 01:42:06,239
to me

2529
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:08,239
that looks like evidence now i can't

2530
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:09,280
measure it i can't do anything

2531
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:10,880
scientific with it

2532
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:13,360
so a genuine scientist is going to say

2533
01:42:16,149 --> 01:42:14,080
yeah interesting

2534
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:16,159
story can't do anything with it fair

2535
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:18,239
enough but to me

2536
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:21,440
having experienced it myself yeah i

2537
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:24,320
would consider that a ghost

2538
01:42:27,350 --> 01:42:25,520
i mean i don't know what else to call it

2539
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:27,360
it's it's something and it's

2540
01:42:35,109 --> 01:42:30,719
a communication from my father at his

2541
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:35,119
moment of death to us 150 miles away

2542
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:37,040
at that moment that to me just blows my

2543
01:42:41,830 --> 01:42:38,719
mind to this to this day

2544
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,840
yeah i used to always enjoy uh being the

2545
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:43,440
black and white guy

2546
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:46,080
and and explaining things and figuring

2547
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:48,080
out things i love documentaries and

2548
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:51,360
and reading non-fiction material

2549
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:54,000
that's that's the way i always and once

2550
01:43:10,709 --> 01:42:54,400
i

2551
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:10,719
myself

2552
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:12,960
right that that there is something else

2553
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:13,920
out there that

2554
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:16,800
that maybe we can't explain we don't

2555
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:18,000
understand it

2556
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:20,800
but to openly discuss it did you feel

2557
01:43:26,629 --> 01:43:23,600
like right now discussing it

2558
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:26,639
letting things go the black and white

2559
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:28,560
yeah i know i'm actually i'm very much

2560
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:30,080
at peace with it and i don't mind

2561
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:32,560
i've i've been talking about it i'm well

2562
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:33,520
aware like

2563
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:35,280
there's still people in this world who

2564
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:38,880
will look at me in a certain way and

2565
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:40,639
and you know when you're a public person

2566
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:42,239
in any regard like you you always have

2567
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:43,199
to wonder

2568
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:46,239
if i say this how's that going to affect

2569
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:48,960
me and you know i mean people don't want

2570
01:43:53,109 --> 01:43:50,400
that to be the case but it is the case

2571
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:53,119
but but i try not to make it the case

2572
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:54,719
like i really try not to make it the

2573
01:43:58,709 --> 01:43:56,320
case with me and

2574
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:58,719
um you know i've i've experienced some

2575
01:44:01,189 --> 01:44:00,320
weird things and i don't mind talking

2576
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:01,199
about it and

2577
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:04,000
there's a humility that comes with you

2578
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:04,639
know when you

2579
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:06,400
recognize that you don't have all the

2580
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:08,000
answers i've told this story

2581
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:09,520
a number of times but i may never have

2582
01:44:12,790 --> 01:44:11,600
told it to you but to me it always had

2583
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:12,800
great impact and it was

2584
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,400
in my early 20s uh when i was a young

2585
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,320
you know college student i went through

2586
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:20,400
my scientific materialist

2587
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:23,199
atheist phase you know and where i

2588
01:44:26,310 --> 01:44:24,719
thought well people believe in

2589
01:44:28,149 --> 01:44:26,320
the afterlife because they're afraid of

2590
01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:28,159
dying and

2591
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,239
god the father god the mother god the

2592
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,639
parent basically because that's

2593
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:34,320
where psychologically predisposed to

2594
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:36,159
wanting to rely on an omnipotent parent

2595
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:37,280
from our infancy and

2596
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:39,679
i had the whole thing worked out and uh

2597
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:42,320
so i i wouldn't allow myself to believe

2598
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:44,880
in a transcendental reality

2599
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:48,000
until i had this weird

2600
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:54,550
it wasn't it wasn't a spiritual moment

2601
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:56,639
it was an insight but i was feeding my

2602
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:57,600
dog

2603
01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:00,719
food

2604
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:02,800
right and i'm observing my dog like he's

2605
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:04,239
waiting for the like he knows

2606
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:05,600
exactly what's going to happen because

2607
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:08,000
he's smart right he knows me he knows

2608
01:45:13,350 --> 01:45:11,360
he knows that that can means food and so

2609
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,360
and i'm watching him eat i'm marveling

2610
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:15,360
at how smart he is i'm thinking you know

2611
01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:17,360
he knows all of these things but he

2612
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:18,880
doesn't know a few things either

2613
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:20,800
he doesn't know how dog food got into

2614
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:22,800
the can because he's a dog like his

2615
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,920
brain doesn't work that way

2616
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:25,440
he doesn't know how he was taken out of

2617
01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:26,639
his natural environment to live with

2618
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:28,000
human beings he doesn't know what the

2619
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:28,400
moon

2620
01:45:33,189 --> 01:45:31,600
is because he's a dog like human brains

2621
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:33,199
work a certain way dog work brains work

2622
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:34,080
a certain way

2623
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:36,480
and it's unfair to expect anything other

2624
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:37,280
than that right

2625
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:38,880
so the lg richard you think you're so

2626
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,280
smart so uh you know

2627
01:45:44,950 --> 01:45:43,199
an insect is at a certain level a dog's

2628
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,960
at a higher level you're at a slightly

2629
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:46,400
higher level

2630
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:49,440
what's higher than that like at that

2631
01:45:54,310 --> 01:45:50,960
moment i realized

2632
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:54,320
you know our minds also are they're just

2633
01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:56,800
set up in certain ways they're set up in

2634
01:46:01,669 --> 01:45:58,159
a really great way

2635
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:01,679
we can organize reality and in terms of

2636
01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:03,520
space and time like we can

2637
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:05,600
we can perceive all kinds of things and

2638
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:06,960
we can develop concepts so

2639
01:46:10,709 --> 01:46:09,679
i mean what we have is not trivial but

2640
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:10,719
is it

2641
01:46:18,229 --> 01:46:16,080
ways of understanding and perceiving

2642
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:18,239
reality beyond our own and of course the

2643
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:19,920
answer is obviously yes

2644
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:24,719
and at that moment i think i was 21

2645
01:46:32,149 --> 01:46:29,040
years old i i thought you know for me to

2646
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:32,159
dogmatically state no pun intended that

2647
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:33,199
certain things are impossible like

2648
01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:33,679
that's just

2649
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:36,880
arrogant and stupid really so from that

2650
01:46:40,870 --> 01:46:38,080
moment like i

2651
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:40,880
i was lucky like it's tempered any kind

2652
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:41,840
of

2653
01:46:46,229 --> 01:46:44,320
materialistic dogmatism that inevitably

2654
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:46,239
it does creep into my life because it

2655
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:48,159
my mind wants to go that way it really

2656
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:50,639
does like i i want evidence i want

2657
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:52,960
i want a scientific method but i i've

2658
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:55,119
always been able to remind myself you

2659
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:56,880
know what like i've got

2660
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:58,800
i've got my limits because that's what

2661
01:47:01,910 --> 01:47:00,159
being human is

2662
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:01,920
we've got our limits yeah so don't

2663
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:03,840
pretend like we know it all because like

2664
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:05,920
we're probably never going to know a lot

2665
01:47:08,790 --> 01:47:07,040
of things that are important

2666
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:08,800
well and that's one of the most

2667
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:10,560
fascinating aspects

2668
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:14,239
of of us and i often wonder

2669
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:17,040
if we are truly the only ones that can

2670
01:47:21,430 --> 01:47:17,760
do this

2671
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:21,440
which is we have as humans

2672
01:47:28,870 --> 01:47:24,960
uh the ability to ask questions

2673
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:28,880
about things at the atomic level

2674
01:47:35,590 --> 01:47:32,400
how crazy is that and at the same time

2675
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:35,600
we can look to the stars and answer

2676
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:36,800
questions

2677
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:39,600
about the universe and and and figure

2678
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:41,040
things out

2679
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:44,400
is that is that unique on planet earth

2680
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:48,480
or does your dog look at you going

2681
01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:51,280
no uh actually i do know how the food

2682
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:54,000
got in the can bro

2683
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:56,000
right i wouldn't think the dog but maybe

2684
01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:57,360
maybe dolphins in wales

2685
01:48:00,550 --> 01:48:00,080
yeah exactly that's where i'm going with

2686
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:00,560
this

2687
01:48:06,149 --> 01:48:02,800
yeah right i i don't think we should be

2688
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:06,159
so arrogant sometimes

2689
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:09,199
no i i agree with you um you know and

2690
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:10,800
the more we learn about those

2691
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:12,480
those creatures the more amazing they

2692
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:14,800
are but um i do think that there are

2693
01:48:17,990 --> 01:48:15,840
other creatures

2694
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:18,000
in the universe who have achieved what

2695
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:18,960
we have and

2696
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:21,199
possibly gone beyond and by the way this

2697
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:23,040
gives me an opportunity to say this is

2698
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:24,880
why i think we're actually being visited

2699
01:48:27,669 --> 01:48:25,920
now

2700
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:27,679
uh it's not that we haven't been visited

2701
01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:29,040
in our ancient past i

2702
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,159
i think we were

2703
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:34,639
but i um i think for most of our

2704
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:36,800
existence that that visitation was

2705
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:40,159
very possibly at a fairly low level like

2706
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:41,920
a monitoring operation but i think

2707
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:43,360
what's happened

2708
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:46,480
since in we last

2709
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:49,119
century a century and a half since we

2710
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:51,119
started developing like serious

2711
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:53,600
science and technological toys and an

2712
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:54,719
ability to

2713
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:56,880
manipulate the planet in a way that we

2714
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,719
just had never been able to do before i

2715
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:00,639
think that's what got the attention of

2716
01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:02,239
the neighborhood and i think that's why

2717
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:04,480
we're seeing a lot of activity now

2718
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:07,119
um and i think i would go further and

2719
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:10,080
say that the society the civilization

2720
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:12,080
the species that we are creating for

2721
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:14,000
ourselves this fourth stage of humanity

2722
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:17,199
i think is what some of these alien

2723
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:18,159
beings

2724
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:21,840
are aware of and um i i would be willing

2725
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:22,639
to at least

2726
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:25,440
to speculate that they that's where

2727
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:26,320
they're at they're at

2728
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:28,239
that phase or maybe even beyond but

2729
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:29,920
they're definitely at a

2730
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:32,159
um they've achieved a certain level of

2731
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:34,960
stability in their society

2732
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:37,679
that allows them a basically a hive mind

2733
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:39,280
type of a situation

2734
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:42,480
a totalitarian kind of a

2735
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:45,119
society is you know i think what they

2736
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:46,320
probably all have

2737
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,400
and we are moving toward that as well so

2738
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:50,719
we're stripping ourselves of our what

2739
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:52,480
we have considered to be our humanity to

2740
01:49:58,550 --> 01:49:55,040
join this greater anthill

2741
01:50:01,750 --> 01:49:58,560
well one of the one of the things uh

2742
01:50:02,709 --> 01:50:01,760
and i i really want your uh reaction to

2743
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:02,719
this

2744
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:06,080
one of the things that we

2745
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:08,800
it's called fundamentals and if we break

2746
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:09,440
down

2747
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:11,840
the universe there are just certain

2748
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:13,199
fundamental things

2749
01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:16,159
there are only so many acids so many

2750
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:17,119
chemicals

2751
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:20,719
so many metals so many gases

2752
01:50:26,550 --> 01:50:24,000
it's it's all very basic we

2753
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:26,560
you and i are basic we are made from the

2754
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:28,560
same things and those

2755
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:32,320
the the simple sides of dna and rna

2756
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:35,199
are on everything on this planet from

2757
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,679
those

2758
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:38,400
basic chemicals the very fundamental

2759
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:39,520
atoms and

2760
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:42,719
and and particles that make up the sun

2761
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:44,560
right it's it's everything is is the

2762
01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:46,560
same that's right so

2763
01:50:50,550 --> 01:50:49,360
when we look at that just the

2764
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:50,560
fundamentals

2765
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:52,880
and we now know that there are 80

2766
01:50:55,510 --> 01:50:55,119
billion earth-like planets in the milky

2767
01:50:59,350 --> 01:50:55,520
way

2768
01:51:01,350 --> 01:50:59,360
everything that there is

2769
01:51:02,550 --> 01:51:01,360
i keep losing track of the number right

2770
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:02,560
right it's a lot

2771
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:05,679
it's a lot and those chemicals

2772
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:08,880
exist on all of those planets

2773
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:12,159
yes exactly but there has to be so much

2774
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:15,199
life out there because that's what this

2775
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:16,000
universe

2776
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:19,040
is it's about creating life it's not i

2777
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:19,360
think

2778
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,920
you're exactly right and not only that

2779
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:23,280
you know there's a there's some pretty

2780
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:25,040
good speculation like

2781
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:27,119
i remember years and years ago i would

2782
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:30,000
read uh scientific speculations on

2783
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:32,320
life in the universe and some of the

2784
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:34,320
more fun things to read for me back then

2785
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:35,040
were like these

2786
01:51:40,229 --> 01:51:38,400
crazy uh ideas that scientists would

2787
01:51:42,870 --> 01:51:40,239
have on the evolution of life

2788
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:42,880
on some other planet like uh and you'd

2789
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:44,560
see these artists renditions of these

2790
01:51:50,070 --> 01:51:46,639
just wacky wacky do life forms you know

2791
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:50,080
like 20 eyes and you know giant

2792
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:53,280
millipede type creatures or whatever um

2793
01:51:56,709 --> 01:51:55,199
but actually when you think about what

2794
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:56,719
would constitute a succ

2795
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:01,280
a technologically successful life form

2796
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:04,159
um it's possible that there might be a

2797
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:04,639
much more

2798
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:07,119
limited number of variations that

2799
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:07,840
actually

2800
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:14,629
based on what i just said right there's

2801
01:52:18,870 --> 01:52:16,480
only so many chemicals

2802
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,880
absolutely right and it's so successful

2803
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:20,480
but look look at like what we are so

2804
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:21,040
we're

2805
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:25,119
means we we stand upright

2806
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,639
uh which is very useful like because our

2807
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:28,320
eyeballs are like five six feet above

2808
01:52:32,390 --> 01:52:30,239
the ground that's really good

2809
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:32,400
for an animal uh and it also means that

2810
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:34,080
we were able to free up

2811
01:52:37,669 --> 01:52:35,840
two of our legs and turn them into arms

2812
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:37,679
and that's really useful and we got this

2813
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:39,760
opposable thumb which is pretty amazing

2814
01:52:45,990 --> 01:52:42,880
like those are those are useful

2815
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:46,000
evolutionary developments uh that

2816
01:52:49,750 --> 01:52:48,560
res you know help to result in our

2817
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:49,760
success

2818
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:52,639
evolutionarily as a species we develop

2819
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:53,679
large brains

2820
01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:55,520
all of those things come at a cost

2821
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:57,040
having a big brain like that

2822
01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:00,719
ain't free that requires a lot of energy

2823
01:53:04,390 --> 01:53:02,880
so it's got to be worth it and that

2824
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:04,400
means if you're going to have

2825
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:06,000
one thing it's not going to make sense

2826
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:07,520
to have all these other things so like

2827
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:08,800
it won't it wouldn't make sense for us

2828
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:11,360
to have four arms and two legs

2829
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:13,520
like that the benefit from the extra two

2830
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:14,400
arms

2831
01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:16,560
would would be outweighed probably by

2832
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:17,840
the cost

2833
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:19,840
in terms of energy of developing it so

2834
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:21,199
in other words i guess

2835
01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:22,080
you know you have to look at

2836
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:24,000
evolutionary economy i don't know if

2837
01:53:26,229 --> 01:53:25,520
that's a phrase that the biologists use

2838
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:26,239
but

2839
01:53:32,950 --> 01:53:30,639
that idea um there's an economy of

2840
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,960
evolutionary development which would

2841
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:34,800
probably mitigate against

2842
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:36,400
all the different wacky do designs that

2843
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:39,440
scientists would come up with years ago

2844
01:53:43,390 --> 01:53:41,360
by which i guess i'm getting at the

2845
01:53:47,589 --> 01:53:43,400
possibility of other

2846
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:47,599
humanoid looking life forms

2847
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:50,000
that could have evolved elsewhere not

2848
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:51,599
that they would necessarily look exactly

2849
01:53:55,910 --> 01:53:53,040
like us no

2850
01:53:56,950 --> 01:53:55,920
but two arms and two legs really good

2851
01:53:58,709 --> 01:53:56,960
innovation yeah it's

2852
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:58,719
efficient it's it's totally efficient

2853
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:00,960
efficient and and

2854
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:04,159
common what i

2855
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:07,280
i think would determine variations

2856
01:54:11,270 --> 01:54:09,119
is actually something very simple

2857
01:54:13,270 --> 01:54:11,280
gravity right so you got

2858
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:13,280
strong gravity on your planet you're

2859
01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:15,119
gonna have shorter dudes

2860
01:54:21,030 --> 01:54:18,560
right less gravity you've got

2861
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:21,040
uh everybody is the new york knicks

2862
01:54:22,950 --> 01:54:22,480
right you're gonna have and another one

2863
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:22,960
would be

2864
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:25,520
the uh intensity of solar radiation so

2865
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:26,960
that would affect eyesight and the

2866
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:27,920
ability of the

2867
01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:30,960
of the you know ocular organ to

2868
01:54:36,550 --> 01:54:33,679
uh to bring in light or to have to block

2869
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:36,560
out light if need be temperature

2870
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:38,800
so you've got fur you know what whatever

2871
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:40,320
it may or lack of

2872
01:54:47,350 --> 01:54:43,360
for but it always comes down to

2873
01:54:48,830 --> 01:54:47,360
for me some of these uh visitations and

2874
01:54:51,910 --> 01:54:48,840
encounters

2875
01:54:53,350 --> 01:54:51,920
where you know a gray right you've got

2876
01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:53,360
this humanoid figure

2877
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:55,199
these descriptions of of these

2878
01:55:00,229 --> 01:54:57,040
encounters and i have to say

2879
01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:00,239
why not of course right

2880
01:55:03,910 --> 01:55:02,080
why would we expect something different

2881
01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:03,920
no absolutely i think in the case of

2882
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:05,280
graze we you know

2883
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:06,960
well we have to add in one other factor

2884
01:55:10,149 --> 01:55:08,320
for an advanced civilization which would

2885
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:10,159
be genetic engineering

2886
01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:11,840
uh because i think you know that's what

2887
01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:14,000
we're just about to start

2888
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:15,760
massive genetic engineering of our own

2889
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:17,040
species i think

2890
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:20,560
yep um and so i i don't think it's

2891
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:22,400
outrageous to assume that other advanced

2892
01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:23,920
technological species have already gone

2893
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:24,719
through that and

2894
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:26,480
when you really look everything that we

2895
01:55:31,750 --> 01:55:28,639
think we know about grays

2896
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:31,760
tells us that they at least the short

2897
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:32,400
grays

2898
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:40,320
uh uniformly are described as unisex

2899
01:55:45,910 --> 01:55:44,480
as without gender essentially um

2900
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:45,920
you know so i think that there's a

2901
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:47,360
really good argument of real likelihood

2902
01:55:52,310 --> 01:55:48,960
that they are

2903
01:55:54,550 --> 01:55:52,320
artificially uh developed

2904
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:54,560
as a worker species essentially and i

2905
01:55:56,950 --> 01:55:55,920
don't i don't think there's any evidence

2906
01:55:58,550 --> 01:55:56,960
that they reproduce

2907
01:56:00,229 --> 01:55:58,560
like they don't think they copulate to

2908
01:56:01,030 --> 01:56:00,239
create new progeny i don't think they do

2909
01:56:05,270 --> 01:56:01,040
that

2910
01:56:07,030 --> 01:56:05,280
now um the tall grays when you talk to

2911
01:56:08,149 --> 01:56:07,040
people who've had abduction experiences

2912
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:08,159
or at least alleged abduction

2913
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:10,080
experiences

2914
01:56:14,310 --> 01:56:12,960
they will talk about male and female

2915
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:14,320
tall grays

2916
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:17,040
with regularity and not that they look

2917
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:18,400
radically different because i don't

2918
01:56:23,270 --> 01:56:19,840
think they do but

2919
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:23,280
but there's a feeling that abductees

2920
01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:25,040
will have that

2921
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:27,679
they will say this like this female gray

2922
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:28,320
spoke to me

2923
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:29,920
and and i i just knew that she was

2924
01:56:36,550 --> 01:56:32,560
female or sometimes it's male

2925
01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:36,560
so in those cases i i speculate that

2926
01:56:41,350 --> 01:56:40,560
they i mean they're they're biological

2927
01:56:43,910 --> 01:56:41,360
enough that

2928
01:56:44,790 --> 01:56:43,920
they might have a way of reproducing you

2929
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:44,800
know with

2930
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:46,960
you know different with the sexes there

2931
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:48,880
i it's possible

2932
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:51,360
but i think artificial uh genetic

2933
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:52,159
engineering

2934
01:56:58,149 --> 01:56:56,400
is absolutely going to be

2935
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:58,159
important for a lot of these alien

2936
01:57:02,870 --> 01:56:59,920
species that we're dealing with

2937
01:57:05,109 --> 01:57:02,880
uh one of the things uh before we head

2938
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:05,119
to the break uh that i'd like to when i

2939
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:05,520
see

2940
01:57:12,629 --> 01:57:09,440
examples of uh watch the movie

2941
01:57:13,910 --> 01:57:12,639
valerian and just just the opening

2942
01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:13,920
five-minute sequence

2943
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:16,080
which has got david bowie's uh space

2944
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:18,159
oddity uh playing and it's it's pretty

2945
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:18,960
incredible

2946
01:57:23,669 --> 01:57:21,920
but it's uh our iss right the

2947
01:57:26,070 --> 01:57:23,679
international space station

2948
01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:26,080
in like 200 years and what it has

2949
01:57:30,550 --> 01:57:27,280
developed into

2950
01:57:34,390 --> 01:57:30,560
and and contact and et is showing up

2951
01:57:36,629 --> 01:57:34,400
uh one after another but uh the parade

2952
01:57:39,030 --> 01:57:36,639
of different species that come through

2953
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:39,040
the door at the iss to shake hands with

2954
01:57:42,550 --> 01:57:39,360
us

2955
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:42,560
earthlings but there's one thing they're

2956
01:57:46,629 --> 01:57:43,920
all a little different

2957
01:57:47,350 --> 01:57:46,639
but they're all walking on two legs and

2958
01:57:49,270 --> 01:57:47,360
i thought

2959
01:57:51,109 --> 01:57:49,280
you know yeah exactly you know you're

2960
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:51,119
not seeing a centipede

2961
01:57:57,270 --> 01:57:54,480
like you were saying or an octopus

2962
01:57:57,990 --> 01:57:57,280
or or anything like that everything is

2963
01:58:03,189 --> 01:57:58,000
uh

2964
01:58:06,229 --> 01:58:03,199
arms two legs and some digits

2965
01:58:08,870 --> 01:58:06,239
uh and two eyes and are seeing in stereo

2966
01:58:10,629 --> 01:58:08,880
yeah like like a binocular vision in the

2967
01:58:12,070 --> 01:58:10,639
front of your head is it's super useful

2968
01:58:13,589 --> 01:58:12,080
that's what predators have

2969
01:58:15,189 --> 01:58:13,599
you know because you can have depth

2970
01:58:16,149 --> 01:58:15,199
perception like just basic things like

2971
01:58:19,189 --> 01:58:16,159
that make

2972
01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:19,199
absolute sense um

2973
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:22,480
so yeah i think we can expect that there

2974
01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:24,080
would be

2975
01:58:28,149 --> 01:58:25,920
you know fundamental humanoid type

2976
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:28,159
shapes that are from elsewhere

2977
01:58:31,990 --> 01:58:30,320
let's uh i got to take a quick break

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here richard let's go ahead and do that

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3128
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you want to know a secret i love

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police i really love ponies i'm serious

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i couldn't stay sane without ponies to

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this is faded black with jimmy church on

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the game changer radio network

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02:05:11,430 --> 02:05:10,149
all right welcome back fade to black i

3137
02:05:14,629 --> 02:05:11,440
am your host jimmy church

3138
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:14,639
tonight richard dolan is with us

3139
02:05:20,310 --> 02:05:18,000
it's been three months three months

3140
02:05:22,069 --> 02:05:20,320
and and this is the thing richard so

3141
02:05:23,589 --> 02:05:22,079
much to discuss tonight we've got one

3142
02:05:25,030 --> 02:05:23,599
segment left and

3143
02:05:26,629 --> 02:05:25,040
and i'm not going to hit you at the

3144
02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:26,639
bottom of the hour and go okay richard i

3145
02:05:30,950 --> 02:05:27,920
need you to stay up

3146
02:05:34,149 --> 02:05:30,960
for for the last segment but uh

3147
02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:34,159
i i might but two things i want to get

3148
02:05:39,589 --> 02:05:35,599
out of the way

3149
02:05:41,990 --> 02:05:39,599
um and uh the first thing is this

3150
02:05:42,709 --> 02:05:42,000
since we were talking about disclosure

3151
02:05:45,430 --> 02:05:42,719
let's

3152
02:05:47,430 --> 02:05:45,440
say because i think your opinion has

3153
02:05:48,069 --> 02:05:47,440
changed over the years so i'm gonna ask

3154
02:05:51,270 --> 02:05:48,079
you a direct

3155
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:51,280
question document dump happens out of

3156
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:52,880
the government's control

3157
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:55,520
white hats whatever document dump

3158
02:06:00,310 --> 02:05:57,119
happens we've got video

3159
02:06:03,830 --> 02:06:00,320
we've got uh documents statements

3160
02:06:04,629 --> 02:06:03,840
uh photographs that's it the government

3161
02:06:08,069 --> 02:06:04,639
has been

3162
02:06:11,430 --> 02:06:08,079
uh hiding uh e.t contact

3163
02:06:15,189 --> 02:06:11,440
okay all right so that happens but what

3164
02:06:18,709 --> 02:06:15,199
happens next what is the government's

3165
02:06:23,189 --> 02:06:21,430
well there's a couple of players it's

3166
02:06:25,350 --> 02:06:23,199
not just the government anymore i mean

3167
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:25,360
we can see this now you we've got

3168
02:06:31,669 --> 02:06:29,520
we have a kind of byzantine labyrinthian

3169
02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:31,679
system by which you've got factions

3170
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:33,920
fighting factions

3171
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:36,320
um i mean you see this within the

3172
02:06:41,669 --> 02:06:38,320
federal government today

3173
02:06:43,430 --> 02:06:41,679
so in the sense that there is no

3174
02:06:45,270 --> 02:06:43,440
the government even now and i don't

3175
02:06:46,950 --> 02:06:45,280
think there will be the government in

3176
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:46,960
the future either

3177
02:06:51,990 --> 02:06:50,000
so i guess the question will be

3178
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:52,000
uh like let's say there's a document

3179
02:06:57,750 --> 02:06:53,920
dump that

3180
02:06:59,109 --> 02:06:57,760
that describes a special access program

3181
02:07:02,149 --> 02:06:59,119
out of the department of energy

3182
02:07:04,870 --> 02:07:02,159
leading to a major corporate

3183
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:04,880
entity that has access to alien

3184
02:07:07,910 --> 02:07:06,560
technology

3185
02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:07,920
because i think that's actually not the

3186
02:07:12,550 --> 02:07:10,320
worst bet you could make

3187
02:07:14,229 --> 02:07:12,560
people overlook the doe but it's got

3188
02:07:16,069 --> 02:07:14,239
some of the most secret

3189
02:07:17,669 --> 02:07:16,079
uh structures going on in in the us

3190
02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:17,679
government and of course everything

3191
02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:19,360
having to do with nuclear energy

3192
02:07:23,589 --> 02:07:21,840
goes to the doa anyway so let's just say

3193
02:07:26,950 --> 02:07:23,599
there's a document dump

3194
02:07:28,870 --> 02:07:26,960
that gives a paper trail that leads to

3195
02:07:31,109 --> 02:07:28,880
lockheed or raytheon and they've got

3196
02:07:34,550 --> 02:07:31,119
some e.t tech

3197
02:07:39,109 --> 02:07:37,910
you would definitely have on one side i

3198
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:39,119
mean this is we're having this with the

3199
02:07:41,669 --> 02:07:40,079
hunter bite and email

3200
02:07:42,950 --> 02:07:41,679
thing right now so you'd have one side

3201
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:42,960
that would say this is all

3202
02:07:48,790 --> 02:07:44,800
disinformation

3203
02:07:51,669 --> 02:07:48,800
uh and that would throw as much

3204
02:07:52,950 --> 02:07:51,679
cold water to put out that fire as

3205
02:07:55,109 --> 02:07:52,960
possible and

3206
02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:55,119
if they're able to have the algorithms

3207
02:08:00,149 --> 02:07:57,040
on their side

3208
02:08:03,350 --> 02:08:00,159
this is really important it isn't

3209
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:03,360
it's feasible at least to think that

3210
02:08:10,069 --> 02:08:06,159
they could throw put that fire out so

3211
02:08:13,189 --> 02:08:11,350
oh yeah well i think there would

3212
02:08:16,470 --> 02:08:13,199
definitely be a desire by some

3213
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:16,480
groups absolutely to squash it

3214
02:08:19,750 --> 02:08:18,320
i mean there's going to be some you know

3215
02:08:22,310 --> 02:08:19,760
you've got never trumpers well there's

3216
02:08:24,390 --> 02:08:22,320
going to be never disclosures sometimes

3217
02:08:25,350 --> 02:08:24,400
right right right they're going to be

3218
02:08:27,510 --> 02:08:25,360
out there

3219
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:27,520
because there's probably there's too

3220
02:08:33,350 --> 02:08:29,760
it's too disruptive

3221
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:33,360
it's too much of a transformation

3222
02:08:37,109 --> 02:08:36,239
so the document dump would would get

3223
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:37,119
fought

3224
02:08:40,550 --> 02:08:39,520
okay now i think so i mean okay so the

3225
02:08:42,069 --> 02:08:40,560
question is would it be fought

3226
02:08:45,430 --> 02:08:42,079
successfully

3227
02:08:46,870 --> 02:08:45,440
and um i don't know i mean it it might

3228
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:46,880
and it might not

3229
02:08:51,589 --> 02:08:49,360
but there would definitely be a struggle

3230
02:08:55,189 --> 02:08:51,599
by some groups

3231
02:08:55,750 --> 02:08:55,199
to uh to obfuscate over it as much as

3232
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:55,760
possible

3233
02:08:59,750 --> 02:08:58,560
no question about that now we have a

3234
02:09:02,950 --> 02:08:59,760
flyover

3235
02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:02,960
you you picked montreal right we have a

3236
02:09:08,709 --> 02:09:05,599
flyover witnessed by everybody

3237
02:09:10,069 --> 02:09:08,719
uh forget about video right but it's

3238
02:09:14,629 --> 02:09:10,079
live streamed and it's

3239
02:09:17,830 --> 02:09:14,639
witnessed by 100 million people

3240
02:09:19,430 --> 02:09:17,840
what happens next yeah that's that's

3241
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:19,440
tougher

3242
02:09:27,109 --> 02:09:23,280
that's a harder one to play down i think

3243
02:09:27,430 --> 02:09:27,119
um is it a tweet you know what what i

3244
02:09:32,950 --> 02:09:27,440
mean

3245
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:32,960
what what happens next

3246
02:09:37,830 --> 02:09:34,400
i don't mean to be silent here this long

3247
02:09:40,870 --> 02:09:39,750
well if it happened today that would be

3248
02:09:44,830 --> 02:09:40,880
one thing if it happens

3249
02:09:48,069 --> 02:09:44,840
20 years from now pardon me

3250
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:48,079
um we we could be in a situation

3251
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:49,599
20 years from now where everything is

3252
02:09:52,870 --> 02:09:51,280
locked down

3253
02:09:54,550 --> 02:09:52,880
like it sound you know we think oh no

3254
02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:54,560
that's impossible not impossible just

3255
02:09:57,109 --> 02:09:55,520
look at china

3256
02:10:01,109 --> 02:09:57,119
yeah if there were if there was an

3257
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:01,119
overflight in china

3258
02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:03,840
oh we just lost richard okay we just

3259
02:10:06,470 --> 02:10:04,960
lost you okay

3260
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:06,480
repeat that you said if there was an

3261
02:10:10,229 --> 02:10:08,400
overflight in china i'm back

3262
02:10:11,750 --> 02:10:10,239
yes you're back yeah i mean think about

3263
02:10:12,229 --> 02:10:11,760
like if there was an overflight of such

3264
02:10:16,470 --> 02:10:12,239
a thing

3265
02:10:18,629 --> 02:10:16,480
in china today would

3266
02:10:20,149 --> 02:10:18,639
would it get the traction within chinese

3267
02:10:23,030 --> 02:10:20,159
society and would it get out to the rest

3268
02:10:26,069 --> 02:10:23,040
of the world like it might not

3269
02:10:28,709 --> 02:10:26,079
it might not and so uh

3270
02:10:29,830 --> 02:10:28,719
because their media is so tightly

3271
02:10:32,149 --> 02:10:29,840
controlled

3272
02:10:33,669 --> 02:10:32,159
like the chinese are the world's

3273
02:10:35,510 --> 02:10:33,679
geniuses when it comes to managing a

3274
02:10:37,910 --> 02:10:35,520
totalitarian society like they

3275
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:37,920
they have got it down and they are the

3276
02:10:39,990 --> 02:10:39,360
model for the rest of the world like

3277
02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:40,000
every

3278
02:10:44,229 --> 02:10:43,040
government wants to be just like that

3279
02:10:45,830 --> 02:10:44,239
yeah and they are they are moving

3280
02:10:47,189 --> 02:10:45,840
inexorably and that includes the united

3281
02:10:48,390 --> 02:10:47,199
states that includes britain that

3282
02:10:51,910 --> 02:10:48,400
includes all of europe

3283
02:10:52,390 --> 02:10:51,920
and russia europe yeah russia and russia

3284
02:10:55,750 --> 02:10:52,400
yes

3285
02:10:58,870 --> 02:10:55,760
and yeah yeah absolutely all of them um

3286
02:11:01,350 --> 02:10:58,880
they all want that um

3287
02:11:03,030 --> 02:11:01,360
so anyway where we will be in 20 years

3288
02:11:05,430 --> 02:11:03,040
from now

3289
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:05,440
where the the next generation of people

3290
02:11:10,390 --> 02:11:06,960
have been grown up

3291
02:11:12,629 --> 02:11:10,400
relying on their digital

3292
02:11:14,470 --> 02:11:12,639
nannies you know alexa and google echo

3293
02:11:18,709 --> 02:11:14,480
and whatever else

3294
02:11:21,510 --> 02:11:18,719
it would be entirely possible to contain

3295
02:11:23,830 --> 02:11:21,520
anything anything that happens 20 years

3296
02:11:26,709 --> 02:11:23,840
from now

3297
02:11:27,270 --> 02:11:26,719
so the real question is when when do we

3298
02:11:30,470 --> 02:11:27,280
go from

3299
02:11:32,790 --> 02:11:30,480
a position where something can happen

3300
02:11:34,390 --> 02:11:32,800
to nothing will happen like i don't know

3301
02:11:35,189 --> 02:11:34,400
when that will happen but that can

3302
02:11:36,629 --> 02:11:35,199
happen

3303
02:11:38,950 --> 02:11:36,639
i've been i've been thinking about this

3304
02:11:40,470 --> 02:11:38,960
for a long long time i went back through

3305
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:40,480
some of my old articles and lectures

3306
02:11:46,629 --> 02:11:43,440
from like more than a decade ago

3307
02:11:47,189 --> 02:11:46,639
and i was i was seeing this um i was

3308
02:11:48,870 --> 02:11:47,199
seeing

3309
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:48,880
in other words that we were moving with

3310
02:11:54,629 --> 02:11:50,880
that we were in a foot race

3311
02:11:56,870 --> 02:11:54,639
against the elites the we the people

3312
02:11:58,149 --> 02:11:56,880
were in a race against them and whoever

3313
02:11:58,709 --> 02:11:58,159
gets to the finish line first is going

3314
02:12:02,550 --> 02:11:58,719
to win

3315
02:12:05,750 --> 02:12:02,560
would gain access

3316
02:12:07,350 --> 02:12:05,760
to disruptive technologies that would

3317
02:12:09,270 --> 02:12:07,360
allow us to share

3318
02:12:12,229 --> 02:12:09,280
radical disruptive information with each

3319
02:12:13,350 --> 02:12:12,239
other before the global lockdown

3320
02:12:15,669 --> 02:12:13,360
happened

3321
02:12:18,830 --> 02:12:15,679
or the elites would get to it at first

3322
02:12:21,350 --> 02:12:18,840
and they would have a global

3323
02:12:22,950 --> 02:12:21,360
lockdown of information before we're

3324
02:12:24,149 --> 02:12:22,960
able to get access to disruptive

3325
02:12:25,910 --> 02:12:24,159
information like that's

3326
02:12:28,229 --> 02:12:25,920
i i've seen it this way for a long long

3327
02:12:31,350 --> 02:12:28,239
time at least 15 years

3328
02:12:33,270 --> 02:12:31,360
and honestly i think that's

3329
02:12:35,030 --> 02:12:33,280
that was accurate and i think that's

3330
02:12:37,910 --> 02:12:35,040
what we are now moving towards so

3331
02:12:38,790 --> 02:12:37,920
we're not yet in the western world we're

3332
02:12:41,750 --> 02:12:38,800
not yet at the

3333
02:12:43,030 --> 02:12:41,760
at the place of total lockdown but man

3334
02:12:45,270 --> 02:12:43,040
we have moved fast

3335
02:12:46,709 --> 02:12:45,280
in the last year and this the response

3336
02:12:49,030 --> 02:12:46,719
to covet

3337
02:12:50,790 --> 02:12:49,040
aside from completely obliterating the

3338
02:12:51,830 --> 02:12:50,800
last messages of our economy and yes i

3339
02:12:52,870 --> 02:12:51,840
believe that that's what we've done

3340
02:12:54,390 --> 02:12:52,880
we've destroyed

3341
02:12:55,830 --> 02:12:54,400
the last bits of the middle class you

3342
02:12:57,350 --> 02:12:55,840
know more than half of the businesses

3343
02:12:59,750 --> 02:12:57,360
that have been closed down

3344
02:13:01,189 --> 02:12:59,760
uh are expected not to reopen they'll

3345
02:13:03,430 --> 02:13:01,199
just get gobbled up by

3346
02:13:05,189 --> 02:13:03,440
by the big corporate store like amazon's

3347
02:13:08,310 --> 02:13:05,199
done great google's done great

3348
02:13:10,149 --> 02:13:08,320
facebook has done great uh but actual

3349
02:13:11,350 --> 02:13:10,159
real people have done horribly of course

3350
02:13:12,870 --> 02:13:11,360
and the economy has just been

3351
02:13:13,669 --> 02:13:12,880
obliterated and i don't think it's going

3352
02:13:16,870 --> 02:13:13,679
to come back

3353
02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:16,880
it's my opinion um but but a lot of

3354
02:13:19,589 --> 02:13:18,000
other things have happened as well

3355
02:13:21,910 --> 02:13:19,599
besides the economic

3356
02:13:24,390 --> 02:13:21,920
self-destruction that we willingly did

3357
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:24,400
to ourselves

3358
02:13:31,270 --> 02:13:27,920
it's the level of control that we have

3359
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:31,280
allowed these tech fascists

3360
02:13:36,790 --> 02:13:34,800
that's what they are to control

3361
02:13:37,830 --> 02:13:36,800
and monitor every aspect of our life

3362
02:13:41,030 --> 02:13:37,840
more and more and more

3363
02:13:45,870 --> 02:13:44,149
[\h__\h] explanations you know sorry

3364
02:13:47,189 --> 02:13:45,880
like we have to protect you against

3365
02:13:48,790 --> 02:13:47,199
misinformation

3366
02:13:51,189 --> 02:13:48,800
we have to protect you against hate

3367
02:13:53,030 --> 02:13:51,199
speech oh my god if i hear that again

3368
02:13:55,030 --> 02:13:53,040
uh miles will just roll into the back of

3369
02:13:55,990 --> 02:13:55,040
my head uh we have to protect you

3370
02:13:58,950 --> 02:13:56,000
against

3371
02:14:00,069 --> 02:13:58,960
uh racism it's like give me a give me a

3372
02:14:04,310 --> 02:14:00,079
break man

3373
02:14:06,790 --> 02:14:04,320
like these are obvious overt pretexts

3374
02:14:07,669 --> 02:14:06,800
that are being used people aren't that

3375
02:14:10,229 --> 02:14:07,679
stupid

3376
02:14:12,310 --> 02:14:10,239
no no no some but most people get it

3377
02:14:15,830 --> 02:14:12,320
anyway the point i'm just saying here is

3378
02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:15,840
we've moved so far so rapidly into this

3379
02:14:20,470 --> 02:14:17,440
dystopia now

3380
02:14:23,189 --> 02:14:20,480
in this just one year one year

3381
02:14:24,390 --> 02:14:23,199
uh i i mean it's shocking so i don't

3382
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:24,400
know when we're gonna get to a point

3383
02:14:26,870 --> 02:14:24,880
where

3384
02:14:28,709 --> 02:14:26,880
to answer your question the disclosure

3385
02:14:30,950 --> 02:14:28,719
question like what will it take

3386
02:14:32,149 --> 02:14:30,960
uh if there's a mass sighting will that

3387
02:14:39,350 --> 02:14:32,159
do it

3388
02:14:39,990 --> 02:14:39,360
ten years from now it might not it might

3389
02:14:43,189 --> 02:14:40,000
not yeah

3390
02:14:45,430 --> 02:14:43,199
there's there's one point uh

3391
02:14:47,030 --> 02:14:45,440
that that you're making here that i

3392
02:14:49,430 --> 02:14:47,040
think everybody needs to wrap their head

3393
02:14:52,830 --> 02:14:49,440
around and fully understand

3394
02:14:53,990 --> 02:14:52,840
and i've spoken about this before but

3395
02:14:57,990 --> 02:14:54,000
they're

3396
02:15:01,430 --> 02:14:58,000
if the switch was flipped

3397
02:15:03,750 --> 02:15:01,440
literally all information

3398
02:15:06,149 --> 02:15:03,760
could be shut off at the same time

3399
02:15:08,310 --> 02:15:06,159
because we get it all on the internet

3400
02:15:09,669 --> 02:15:08,320
uh the internet is feeding the

3401
02:15:13,430 --> 02:15:09,679
satellites

3402
02:15:16,550 --> 02:15:13,440
uh for all digital transmission

3403
02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:16,560
entertainment but also your news um uh

3404
02:15:19,750 --> 02:15:19,280
your television sets and and everything

3405
02:15:23,189 --> 02:15:19,760
else

3406
02:15:26,629 --> 02:15:23,199
if if that switch is flipped

3407
02:15:28,870 --> 02:15:26,639
you've got no news sources you've got

3408
02:15:29,910 --> 02:15:28,880
no information and if it wants to be

3409
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:29,920
overridden

3410
02:15:37,910 --> 02:15:33,679
with the news feed to give you the news

3411
02:15:41,430 --> 02:15:37,920
after it is cut off that's all you have

3412
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:41,440
like north korea like in china

3413
02:15:47,669 --> 02:15:44,639
and and that total control uh

3414
02:15:50,950 --> 02:15:47,679
is is absolutely possible like or

3415
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:50,960
george orwell's 1984 um

3416
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:52,800
and only even more effective because

3417
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:54,960
with digital control over information

3418
02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:57,760
it's it's very easy now to rewrite

3419
02:16:02,149 --> 02:16:00,000
history isn't it and to rewrite reality

3420
02:16:03,830 --> 02:16:02,159
it's super easy if all people have

3421
02:16:04,790 --> 02:16:03,840
access to is digital information and not

3422
02:16:06,629 --> 02:16:04,800
books

3423
02:16:08,229 --> 02:16:06,639
so yeah we're we're just we've moved

3424
02:16:09,270 --> 02:16:08,239
into and then of course one of the

3425
02:16:11,189 --> 02:16:09,280
things i didn't even get into with the

3426
02:16:12,790 --> 02:16:11,199
fourth stage of humanity is the

3427
02:16:14,709 --> 02:16:12,800
you know like the neuralink type of

3428
02:16:16,229 --> 02:16:14,719
thing like the interconnectivity that

3429
02:16:18,149 --> 02:16:16,239
people like elon musk want to do to

3430
02:16:21,510 --> 02:16:18,159
connect connect you to the cloud

3431
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:21,520
make you smarter yeah sure will like not

3432
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:22,960
it's not going to make you smart it's

3433
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:24,800
going to make us dumber do you do we

3434
02:16:28,310 --> 02:16:25,440
think that

3435
02:16:31,189 --> 02:16:28,320
being you know attached to our cell

3436
02:16:33,429 --> 02:16:31,199
phones 24 7 has made us smarter

3437
02:16:34,230 --> 02:16:33,439
like hell no it hasn't made us smarter

3438
02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:34,240
it's

3439
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:37,840
how your your sports team did last night

3440
02:16:41,589 --> 02:16:39,599
then yeah great it's awesome

3441
02:16:43,990 --> 02:16:41,599
and there is information you can get on

3442
02:16:47,270 --> 02:16:44,000
your phone but but we also know of the

3443
02:16:48,549 --> 02:16:47,280
incredibly negative psychological and

3444
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:48,559
mental effects

3445
02:16:51,589 --> 02:16:50,719
that cell phone addictions have had on

3446
02:16:53,190 --> 02:16:51,599
people so

3447
02:16:55,589 --> 02:16:53,200
if you're going to have a neural link to

3448
02:16:59,750 --> 02:16:55,599
the web that's going to even be worse

3449
02:17:01,030 --> 02:16:59,760
and and even more so you may be able to

3450
02:17:04,389 --> 02:17:01,040
uh

3451
02:17:05,990 --> 02:17:04,399
get information from them but they can

3452
02:17:07,190 --> 02:17:06,000
also get information from you

3453
02:17:09,030 --> 02:17:07,200
obviously it's going to be a two-way

3454
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:09,040
thing and then can you to what extent

3455
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:09,760
are you going to be

3456
02:17:13,110 --> 02:17:12,240
influenced you were talking earlier uh

3457
02:17:14,950 --> 02:17:13,120
jimmy about

3458
02:17:16,950 --> 02:17:14,960
how we are influenced so deeply by

3459
02:17:20,389 --> 02:17:16,960
social media and control

3460
02:17:23,990 --> 02:17:20,399
well with the with any kinds of implants

3461
02:17:26,709 --> 02:17:24,000
good lord i mean i can't even

3462
02:17:28,469 --> 02:17:26,719
imagine so the levels of control that

3463
02:17:31,589 --> 02:17:28,479
will exist

3464
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:31,599
over the human mind and human spirit

3465
02:17:35,990 --> 02:17:33,120
even one decade from now

3466
02:17:37,030 --> 02:17:36,000
just send chills through my body and the

3467
02:17:39,830 --> 02:17:37,040
man

3468
02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:39,840
all of them and women they understand

3469
02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:40,719
this

3470
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:47,599
but now uh the possibilities

3471
02:17:51,990 --> 02:17:50,240
and the ability to control who would

3472
02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:52,000
have thought

3473
02:17:57,830 --> 02:17:54,880
especially a year ago forget about our

3474
02:18:01,750 --> 02:17:57,840
community in george orwell in 1984.

3475
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:01,760
but who would have thought 365 days ago

3476
02:18:05,509 --> 02:18:04,960
that the entire planet would get shut

3477
02:18:08,830 --> 02:18:05,519
down

3478
02:18:12,309 --> 02:18:08,840
and everybody would be on the same page

3479
02:18:15,750 --> 02:18:14,709
it's crazy to me now last question of

3480
02:18:19,070 --> 02:18:15,760
the night

3481
02:18:22,150 --> 02:18:19,080
uh and i hope that we can get it all in

3482
02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:22,160
2024 is a pretty big year

3483
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:25,920
uh for humanity uh were slated to

3484
02:18:30,389 --> 02:18:29,359
uh uh head back to the moon and now for

3485
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:30,399
the first time this

3486
02:18:38,309 --> 02:18:35,040
is not 1969 1970 71 72.

3487
02:18:41,589 --> 02:18:38,319
uh we're talking about high def 4k

3488
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:41,599
in color craziness streamed all over the

3489
02:18:45,669 --> 02:18:42,000
net

3490
02:18:49,110 --> 02:18:45,679
in real time images of the moon

3491
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:49,120
shortly after that elon musk is is

3492
02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:52,160
has got us on mars same situation

3493
02:18:59,669 --> 02:18:56,160
there too as well do you see

3494
02:19:02,469 --> 02:18:59,679
those images being under control

3495
02:19:03,589 --> 02:19:02,479
or are we going to have freedom for the

3496
02:19:07,270 --> 02:19:03,599
first time

3497
02:19:10,950 --> 02:19:07,280
to to see the moon and and to see mars

3498
02:19:13,589 --> 02:19:10,960
in in glorious high definition color and

3499
02:19:14,950 --> 02:19:13,599
if there's something there that they

3500
02:19:17,990 --> 02:19:14,960
don't want us to see

3501
02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:18,000
would would that be censored yeah

3502
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:20,800
yeah it would be like so like elon musk

3503
02:19:24,549 --> 02:19:22,240
and robert bigelow and all

3504
02:19:26,389 --> 02:19:24,559
you know um any of the corporate

3505
02:19:27,270 --> 02:19:26,399
american corporate entities i should say

3506
02:19:29,190 --> 02:19:27,280
that are out there

3507
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:29,200
uh they say you have to have security

3508
02:19:32,309 --> 02:19:30,319
clearances to

3509
02:19:33,990 --> 02:19:32,319
to because they're still getting defense

3510
02:19:35,509 --> 02:19:34,000
dollars they're still working with

3511
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:35,519
defense contracts

3512
02:19:38,709 --> 02:19:37,200
so it's not like they're completely

3513
02:19:41,830 --> 02:19:38,719
independent

3514
02:19:43,589 --> 02:19:41,840
uh commercial players so they are

3515
02:19:44,469 --> 02:19:43,599
partnering with the united states

3516
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:44,479
government in one

3517
02:19:52,790 --> 02:19:47,599
in various forms and they

3518
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:52,800
are cleared for for doing what they do

3519
02:19:58,389 --> 02:19:55,920
and and since there is a presence

3520
02:19:59,670 --> 02:19:58,399
out there i mean there's a presence down

3521
02:20:02,070 --> 02:19:59,680
here and there

3522
02:20:03,910 --> 02:20:02,080
i believe there is a presence out there

3523
02:20:07,110 --> 02:20:03,920
that includes the moon that includes

3524
02:20:09,030 --> 02:20:07,120
you know in earth orbit and beyond um

3525
02:20:10,870 --> 02:20:09,040
so yeah my assumption is that at least

3526
02:20:14,309 --> 02:20:10,880
in the initial period

3527
02:20:17,349 --> 02:20:14,319
that control will will be maintained

3528
02:20:18,070 --> 02:20:17,359
in 4k or beyond whatever high def it'll

3529
02:20:20,710 --> 02:20:18,080
be great

3530
02:20:22,150 --> 02:20:20,720
but obviously there's all kinds of

3531
02:20:24,630 --> 02:20:22,160
filtering tech that will

3532
02:20:26,230 --> 02:20:24,640
that will be put into place that will

3533
02:20:29,429 --> 02:20:26,240
you know more advanced versions of

3534
02:20:31,510 --> 02:20:29,439
airbrushing ufos out of photographs

3535
02:20:32,469 --> 02:20:31,520
so i think that's what we can expect at

3536
02:20:35,830 --> 02:20:32,479
least for a while

3537
02:20:39,910 --> 02:20:35,840
now eventually i think it's fair to

3538
02:20:44,150 --> 02:20:43,270
that it will be hard it might be harder

3539
02:20:46,630 --> 02:20:44,160
to control

3540
02:20:48,630 --> 02:20:46,640
that but what we're seeing being put

3541
02:20:51,750 --> 02:20:48,640
into place globally though is

3542
02:20:54,469 --> 02:20:51,760
is a global system you know and so it's

3543
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:54,479
entirely possible that

3544
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:56,479
you know you see integration between the

3545
02:21:02,550 --> 02:20:58,880
us and china and russia and europe and

3546
02:21:03,349 --> 02:21:02,560
india and any other major space players

3547
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:03,359
that will exist

3548
02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:06,640
in the future it's entirely possible

3549
02:21:10,630 --> 02:21:09,200
you know despite the the saber rattling

3550
02:21:12,309 --> 02:21:10,640
that the us has with russia and with

3551
02:21:14,389 --> 02:21:12,319
china right now

3552
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:14,399
there could easily be a

3553
02:21:19,110 --> 02:21:16,720
behind-the-scenes collaboration on

3554
02:21:19,910 --> 02:21:19,120
this matter i could easily see that

3555
02:21:22,150 --> 02:21:19,920
happening so

3556
02:21:24,150 --> 02:21:22,160
it's entirely possible that for even the

3557
02:21:26,469 --> 02:21:24,160
next lifetime

3558
02:21:27,349 --> 02:21:26,479
that corporate players that are out

3559
02:21:29,270 --> 02:21:27,359
there

3560
02:21:31,670 --> 02:21:29,280
they could very easily be controlled now

3561
02:21:34,469 --> 02:21:31,680
if we get to a point where

3562
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:34,479
ordinary people can get their own

3563
02:21:38,710 --> 02:21:35,280
jetsons

3564
02:21:40,309 --> 02:21:38,720
style flying saucer and and zip around

3565
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:40,319
the solar system

3566
02:21:43,510 --> 02:21:41,920
okay that that might make things a

3567
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:43,520
little different um

3568
02:21:47,990 --> 02:21:46,160
but i don't i don't see that happening

3569
02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:48,000
for a while for a long time i don't i

3570
02:21:51,030 --> 02:21:49,840
don't see that happening in our lifetime

3571
02:21:52,950 --> 02:21:51,040
i don't think we're going to have that

3572
02:21:56,150 --> 02:21:52,960
type of access so

3573
02:22:00,630 --> 02:21:56,160
we're you know we're moving into a

3574
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:00,640
a very very hierarchical

3575
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:03,600
uh controlled society where information

3576
02:22:05,110 --> 02:22:04,720
is going to be controlled people are

3577
02:22:06,870 --> 02:22:05,120
gonna

3578
02:22:08,790 --> 02:22:06,880
are being controlled ever more

3579
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:08,800
opportunities are

3580
02:22:12,710 --> 02:22:11,280
are going to be restricted look i'll

3581
02:22:15,030 --> 02:22:12,720
just say people have accused me of being

3582
02:22:16,550 --> 02:22:15,040
what's known as a malthusian

3583
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:16,560
there was an economist 200 years ago

3584
02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:18,319
named thomas malthus who

3585
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:19,760
based on the information he had back

3586
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:21,600
then he says you know we're only looking

3587
02:22:24,630 --> 02:22:22,720
at mass

3588
02:22:25,910 --> 02:22:24,640
uh poverty and starvation because

3589
02:22:27,190 --> 02:22:25,920
there's too many people

3590
02:22:30,070 --> 02:22:27,200
and there won't be enough food to feed

3591
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:30,080
them all and you know in 1798 when

3592
02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:31,520
malthus wrote that

3593
02:22:35,110 --> 02:22:34,399
his his assumptions made sense but of

3594
02:22:37,429 --> 02:22:35,120
course

3595
02:22:38,469 --> 02:22:37,439
things change he didn't foresee a lot of

3596
02:22:39,670 --> 02:22:38,479
things that happened

3597
02:22:42,150 --> 02:22:39,680
and it's possible that i'm not

3598
02:22:43,670 --> 02:22:42,160
foreseeing things it's totally possible

3599
02:22:46,870 --> 02:22:43,680
that i'm missing

3600
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:46,880
some revolutionary amazing development

3601
02:22:51,510 --> 02:22:48,640
that will happen

3602
02:22:53,030 --> 02:22:51,520
one one might be the equivalent of free

3603
02:22:56,309 --> 02:22:53,040
energy

3604
02:22:59,830 --> 02:22:56,319
like if we actually get genuine

3605
02:23:03,429 --> 02:22:59,840
free unlimited energy that

3606
02:23:04,550 --> 02:23:03,439
will change some real possibilities and

3607
02:23:06,550 --> 02:23:04,560
that could open up

3608
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:06,560
a whole realm of freedom for ordinary

3609
02:23:10,870 --> 02:23:07,680
people

3610
02:23:14,230 --> 02:23:10,880
it's possible well so there are things

3611
02:23:17,750 --> 02:23:14,240
the the the other part of this which

3612
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:17,760
uh for me i'm excited about and then i i

3613
02:23:20,309 --> 02:23:18,800
flip it over and go

3614
02:23:22,710 --> 02:23:20,319
you know what it's going to be more the

3615
02:23:26,790 --> 02:23:22,720
same which is when you have

3616
02:23:30,309 --> 02:23:26,800
bezos and and musk and others

3617
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:30,319
that uh apparently uh

3618
02:23:33,830 --> 02:23:32,479
are running independent of the man now

3619
02:23:37,429 --> 02:23:33,840
that's the image

3620
02:23:38,790 --> 02:23:37,439
they're they are the man i mean bezos

3621
02:23:41,670 --> 02:23:38,800
does the cloud computing

3622
02:23:43,750 --> 02:23:41,680
that's what i'm saying well it's that's

3623
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:43,760
actually not the case

3624
02:23:50,070 --> 02:23:47,200
right that it's um how do i say that

3625
02:23:51,429 --> 02:23:50,080
it's we're meeting their representative

3626
02:23:54,070 --> 02:23:51,439
the illusion

3627
02:23:54,950 --> 02:23:54,080
right of a private enterprise but when

3628
02:23:58,630 --> 02:23:54,960
you look back

3629
02:24:01,750 --> 02:23:58,640
at it where bezos isn't uh

3630
02:24:02,469 --> 02:24:01,760
just running amazon but he's he's he's

3631
02:24:04,710 --> 02:24:02,479
got

3632
02:24:06,309 --> 02:24:04,720
the cloud computing system he owns the

3633
02:24:09,990 --> 02:24:06,319
washington post

3634
02:24:13,510 --> 02:24:10,000
and the and this

3635
02:24:15,030 --> 02:24:13,520
in the cia's uh server farms

3636
02:24:17,030 --> 02:24:15,040
right there's other things that come

3637
02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:17,040
into play here and the same things fall

3638
02:24:22,230 --> 02:24:18,720
in with elon musk

3639
02:24:22,630 --> 02:24:22,240
so you know bezos with blue uh horizons

3640
02:24:28,550 --> 02:24:22,640
and

3641
02:24:31,429 --> 02:24:28,560
of that is going to uh

3642
02:24:33,349 --> 02:24:31,439
be part of us and the public right are

3643
02:24:36,070 --> 02:24:33,359
we going to have those freedoms or

3644
02:24:37,030 --> 02:24:36,080
are they actually just an extension arm

3645
02:24:40,550 --> 02:24:37,040
of the man

3646
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:40,560
and i want to be able to have uh

3647
02:24:47,270 --> 02:24:44,080
somebody broadcasting from uh

3648
02:24:49,270 --> 02:24:47,280
uh uh blue horizons right uh

3649
02:24:51,429 --> 02:24:49,280
uh a live stream with their phone out

3650
02:24:52,710 --> 02:24:51,439
the window and what if they capture

3651
02:24:54,630 --> 02:24:52,720
something that they're not suppo you

3652
02:24:57,830 --> 02:24:54,640
know of some ufo some uh

3653
02:24:58,550 --> 02:24:57,840
some image shouldn't we be able to see

3654
02:25:01,030 --> 02:24:58,560
that or

3655
02:25:02,389 --> 02:25:01,040
is that going to get clamped down no

3656
02:25:05,750 --> 02:25:02,399
yeah i believe

3657
02:25:08,070 --> 02:25:05,760
that uh you know given enough time

3658
02:25:08,790 --> 02:25:08,080
they'll be they're going to be algos

3659
02:25:10,550 --> 02:25:08,800
that are out there

3660
02:25:12,230 --> 02:25:10,560
artificially intelligent algorithms that

3661
02:25:16,309 --> 02:25:12,240
will be good enough

3662
02:25:20,230 --> 02:25:16,319
to to find uh

3663
02:25:23,510 --> 02:25:20,240
problems like that in real time like i

3664
02:25:26,710 --> 02:25:23,520
you can you can bet on it so uh

3665
02:25:28,950 --> 02:25:26,720
so yeah yeah to protect the public from

3666
02:25:30,469 --> 02:25:28,960
misinformation so that they can only get

3667
02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:30,479
their news and information from

3668
02:25:34,070 --> 02:25:32,560
authoritative sources now what is what

3669
02:25:35,750 --> 02:25:34,080
we're doing now that's right that's

3670
02:25:39,830 --> 02:25:35,760
right and so what do we do

3671
02:25:42,389 --> 02:25:39,840
about we got to squeeze this in uh

3672
02:25:43,429 --> 02:25:42,399
conspiracy now conspiracy theory is the

3673
02:25:46,790 --> 02:25:43,439
new normal

3674
02:25:50,230 --> 02:25:46,800
right there is no end in sight

3675
02:25:51,110 --> 02:25:50,240
of conspiracy theories from any corner

3676
02:25:52,870 --> 02:25:51,120
of the planet

3677
02:25:54,790 --> 02:25:52,880
it doesn't matter what color you are or

3678
02:25:57,110 --> 02:25:54,800
who you are or what your age is

3679
02:25:58,070 --> 02:25:57,120
or what the news platform is it doesn't

3680
02:26:01,190 --> 02:25:58,080
matter

3681
02:26:03,830 --> 02:26:01,200
that conspiracy is a conversation today

3682
02:26:05,030 --> 02:26:03,840
and it's everywhere are are you

3683
02:26:08,230 --> 02:26:05,040
cognizant of it

3684
02:26:09,429 --> 02:26:08,240
do you roll your eyes do you uh do you

3685
02:26:11,750 --> 02:26:09,439
take some of these understanding

3686
02:26:13,670 --> 02:26:11,760
exactly what you mean the the phrase

3687
02:26:15,030 --> 02:26:13,680
conspiracy theory has just like swept

3688
02:26:15,670 --> 02:26:15,040
across our culture that's what i'm

3689
02:26:17,670 --> 02:26:15,680
saying

3690
02:26:20,070 --> 02:26:17,680
but that's exactly my point and it's

3691
02:26:21,750 --> 02:26:20,080
being used by the establishment to just

3692
02:26:23,990 --> 02:26:21,760
disable anything that they don't want to

3693
02:26:26,150 --> 02:26:24,000
hear and uh it's it's just

3694
02:26:28,070 --> 02:26:26,160
really pernicious it's evil the way that

3695
02:26:29,830 --> 02:26:28,080
they're using that phrase

3696
02:26:31,590 --> 02:26:29,840
people should never ever use the phrase

3697
02:26:33,270 --> 02:26:31,600
conspiracy theory because actually it

3698
02:26:36,870 --> 02:26:33,280
was invented by the cia

3699
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:36,880
in 1967 in a memo specifically designed

3700
02:26:40,630 --> 02:26:39,600
to smear the people who uh had a

3701
02:26:42,150 --> 02:26:40,640
disagreement on the kennedy

3702
02:26:43,590 --> 02:26:42,160
assassination back then

3703
02:26:45,510 --> 02:26:43,600
and it was a way to disable them back

3704
02:26:46,070 --> 02:26:45,520
then and and the phrase now is being

3705
02:26:48,630 --> 02:26:46,080
used

3706
02:26:49,590 --> 02:26:48,640
everyone who uses that phrase literally

3707
02:26:51,590 --> 02:26:49,600
is a tool

3708
02:26:52,950 --> 02:26:51,600
of the cia and they're doing the man's

3709
02:26:54,790 --> 02:26:52,960
work so good for you

3710
02:26:56,150 --> 02:26:54,800
so the phrase conspiracy theory should

3711
02:26:58,150 --> 02:26:56,160
be run out of

3712
02:26:59,349 --> 02:26:58,160
run out of our society because it is

3713
02:27:03,750 --> 02:26:59,359
only used

3714
02:27:05,990 --> 02:27:03,760
by those people to to smear

3715
02:27:07,030 --> 02:27:06,000
uh opinions that they don't like

3716
02:27:09,750 --> 02:27:07,040
conspiracies happen

3717
02:27:10,550 --> 02:27:09,760
all the time we all know this some of

3718
02:27:13,590 --> 02:27:10,560
them

3719
02:27:15,590 --> 02:27:13,600
uh some conspiracy hypotheses mess

3720
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:15,600
probably better uh turn out to be not

3721
02:27:21,030 --> 02:27:18,000
true while others are true

3722
02:27:22,230 --> 02:27:21,040
and so any alleged conspiracy is a

3723
02:27:24,790 --> 02:27:22,240
simple way to deal with it

3724
02:27:26,389 --> 02:27:24,800
you investigate it you find out are do

3725
02:27:28,070 --> 02:27:26,399
the facts line up or not

3726
02:27:30,630 --> 02:27:28,080
uh but what we're seeing is a world

3727
02:27:33,429 --> 02:27:30,640
where uh the establishment

3728
02:27:35,510 --> 02:27:33,439
um you know the blue check google

3729
02:27:37,670 --> 02:27:35,520
twitter establishment is using

3730
02:27:39,510 --> 02:27:37,680
things like alleged conspiracy theories

3731
02:27:40,870 --> 02:27:39,520
as a way to censor the internet

3732
02:27:42,790 --> 02:27:40,880
and they'll continue to do that like

3733
02:27:45,030 --> 02:27:42,800
that's gonna get more not less

3734
02:27:46,070 --> 02:27:45,040
over time do you think that the

3735
02:27:49,110 --> 02:27:46,080
followers

3736
02:27:49,590 --> 02:27:49,120
and i'm using that term very loosely of

3737
02:27:52,870 --> 02:27:49,600
these

3738
02:27:55,349 --> 02:27:52,880
uh different conspiracies that uh

3739
02:27:57,429 --> 02:27:55,359
there's there's dozens every single day

3740
02:28:00,389 --> 02:27:57,439
right now in circulation there are

3741
02:28:02,150 --> 02:28:00,399
thousands it's everywhere right yeah i

3742
02:28:03,030 --> 02:28:02,160
mean a lot of them obviously are not

3743
02:28:05,270 --> 02:28:03,040
going to be true

3744
02:28:06,309 --> 02:28:05,280
is it entertainment though for those

3745
02:28:09,030 --> 02:28:06,319
that are

3746
02:28:09,349 --> 02:28:09,040
jumping down these rabbit holes or are

3747
02:28:11,830 --> 02:28:09,359
they

3748
02:28:13,990 --> 02:28:11,840
actually taking uh this stuff very

3749
02:28:16,150 --> 02:28:14,000
serious

3750
02:28:19,270 --> 02:28:16,160
who's who's talking about the users of

3751
02:28:21,670 --> 02:28:19,280
the of of of facebook of twitter

3752
02:28:22,870 --> 02:28:21,680
uh for channels i think for most people

3753
02:28:24,309 --> 02:28:22,880
it's for some people it's just

3754
02:28:27,030 --> 02:28:24,319
entertainment because i mean

3755
02:28:29,030 --> 02:28:27,040
people are powerless so when you have a

3756
02:28:30,790 --> 02:28:29,040
powerless population that has no access

3757
02:28:33,830 --> 02:28:30,800
to genuine information which is

3758
02:28:35,030 --> 02:28:33,840
99 plus percent of the people uh

3759
02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:35,040
of course they're gonna have conspiracy

3760
02:28:38,230 --> 02:28:36,880
theories because

3761
02:28:39,670 --> 02:28:38,240
they know not to trust the government

3762
02:28:40,870 --> 02:28:39,680
they know that they know they're being

3763
02:28:44,070 --> 02:28:40,880
lied to

3764
02:28:45,190 --> 02:28:44,080
all the time and most people they don't

3765
02:28:46,950 --> 02:28:45,200
have the

3766
02:28:49,270 --> 02:28:46,960
the time and the ability and inclination

3767
02:28:51,030 --> 02:28:49,280
to do actual hard research because that

3768
02:28:52,790 --> 02:28:51,040
actually is difficult to do

3769
02:28:54,070 --> 02:28:52,800
and if you've got a day job especially

3770
02:28:54,870 --> 02:28:54,080
like you've got a family to raise

3771
02:28:56,710 --> 02:28:54,880
whatever like

3772
02:28:58,790 --> 02:28:56,720
you're not going to be able to get into

3773
02:29:00,230 --> 02:28:58,800
that so most people can't do that

3774
02:29:02,790 --> 02:29:00,240
investigation

3775
02:29:04,950 --> 02:29:02,800
and so yes they'll latch on to something

3776
02:29:07,830 --> 02:29:04,960
but

3777
02:29:08,710 --> 02:29:07,840
how seriously yeah you know some more

3778
02:29:11,190 --> 02:29:08,720
than others i think

3779
02:29:14,550 --> 02:29:11,200
i think for a lot of people it's just uh

3780
02:29:17,030 --> 02:29:14,560
it's probably just a pastime because

3781
02:29:19,270 --> 02:29:17,040
because if you if you don't have the

3782
02:29:20,469 --> 02:29:19,280
right to change things at least

3783
02:29:22,389 --> 02:29:20,479
some people still have the right to

3784
02:29:22,950 --> 02:29:22,399
[\h__\h] and that's and that's really what

3785
02:29:26,950 --> 02:29:22,960
we have

3786
02:29:28,550 --> 02:29:26,960
a limited basis

3787
02:29:29,990 --> 02:29:28,560
no that's where these conspiracy

3788
02:29:31,429 --> 02:29:30,000
theories are but it really comes down to

3789
02:29:33,830 --> 02:29:31,439
the fact that governments

3790
02:29:35,670 --> 02:29:33,840
and our corporate establishment which is

3791
02:29:37,429 --> 02:29:35,680
part of the government

3792
02:29:38,710 --> 02:29:37,439
they don't tell us anything they they

3793
02:29:40,550 --> 02:29:38,720
are utterly opaque

3794
02:29:42,550 --> 02:29:40,560
whether it's with ufos which they've

3795
02:29:45,349 --> 02:29:42,560
been for our lifetime

3796
02:29:46,630 --> 02:29:45,359
um or whether it's on 9 11 let's not

3797
02:29:49,110 --> 02:29:46,640
forget that please

3798
02:29:50,469 --> 02:29:49,120
or whether it's on a lot of aspects of

3799
02:29:54,070 --> 02:29:50,479
covet itself

3800
02:29:55,670 --> 02:29:54,080
you know i i really i find it offensive

3801
02:29:57,270 --> 02:29:55,680
that people are not allowed to have a

3802
02:29:58,550 --> 02:29:57,280
public conversation on the origins of

3803
02:30:00,469 --> 02:29:58,560
kovid

3804
02:30:01,670 --> 02:30:00,479
now i mean i don't know maybe it came

3805
02:30:03,670 --> 02:30:01,680
out of bat soup

3806
02:30:05,349 --> 02:30:03,680
to begin maybe it did but maybe it

3807
02:30:06,630 --> 02:30:05,359
didn't and you know there are smart

3808
02:30:07,590 --> 02:30:06,640
people who think otherwise and they

3809
02:30:10,230 --> 02:30:07,600
should at least

3810
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:10,240
be allowed to put their argument out

3811
02:30:13,270 --> 02:30:10,720
there

3812
02:30:15,030 --> 02:30:13,280
and they can't anymore like they can't

3813
02:30:17,590 --> 02:30:15,040
how insane is that

3814
02:30:18,870 --> 02:30:17,600
people cannot they they put it out there

3815
02:30:21,590 --> 02:30:18,880
they get their twitter account

3816
02:30:22,070 --> 02:30:21,600
blocked suspended facebook they're gone

3817
02:30:25,110 --> 02:30:22,080
they're d

3818
02:30:27,830 --> 02:30:25,120
platform they're canceled good lord

3819
02:30:28,550 --> 02:30:27,840
it's insanity yes and we have gotten to

3820
02:30:31,349 --> 02:30:28,560
this point

3821
02:30:33,190 --> 02:30:31,359
but it's totalitarian and you know the

3822
02:30:36,150 --> 02:30:33,200
word fascist gets a lot

3823
02:30:37,349 --> 02:30:36,160
overused these days but this is

3824
02:30:40,469 --> 02:30:37,359
fascistic

3825
02:30:43,750 --> 02:30:40,479
it's it's literally totalitarian that is

3826
02:30:44,790 --> 02:30:43,760
total control and that is what is being

3827
02:30:45,270 --> 02:30:44,800
sought and that is what is being

3828
02:30:48,389 --> 02:30:45,280
achieved

3829
02:30:50,790 --> 02:30:48,399
unfortunately so we i mean you know

3830
02:30:53,910 --> 02:30:50,800
we're we're looking at we're the last

3831
02:30:54,790 --> 02:30:53,920
phases really of of the old the old

3832
02:30:57,190 --> 02:30:54,800
system

3833
02:30:59,270 --> 02:30:57,200
you know i i i don't do i don't do

3834
02:31:01,429 --> 02:30:59,280
politics on this show you know i just

3835
02:31:02,309 --> 02:31:01,439
i i refuse to do it well i'm trying not

3836
02:31:05,349 --> 02:31:02,319
to do no no no

3837
02:31:07,990 --> 02:31:05,359
no i'll be partisan hold on and now

3838
02:31:09,030 --> 02:31:08,000
i'm about to dip my toe right which is

3839
02:31:11,270 --> 02:31:09,040
which is

3840
02:31:13,670 --> 02:31:11,280
look uh there's an elephant in the room

3841
02:31:16,950 --> 02:31:13,680
and it's one that we can't ignore

3842
02:31:19,910 --> 02:31:16,960
but and that is november 3rd but this is

3843
02:31:22,389 --> 02:31:19,920
the crazy part about november 3rd

3844
02:31:23,270 --> 02:31:22,399
somebody's going to win that's

3845
02:31:26,550 --> 02:31:23,280
inevitable

3846
02:31:27,990 --> 02:31:26,560
somebody's going to lose and whatever

3847
02:31:32,469 --> 02:31:28,000
happens on november

3848
02:31:34,389 --> 02:31:32,479
3rd half are going to be pissed

3849
02:31:35,590 --> 02:31:34,399
right and it doesn't matter which which

3850
02:31:38,950 --> 02:31:35,600
way we go

3851
02:31:40,309 --> 02:31:38,960
with this i'm i'm a little bit nervous

3852
02:31:41,349 --> 02:31:40,319
for the first time that's not even going

3853
02:31:43,510 --> 02:31:41,359
to be the worst of it

3854
02:31:45,670 --> 02:31:43,520
i don't see that's everyone's looking at

3855
02:31:46,870 --> 02:31:45,680
the riots or whatever that happens after

3856
02:31:49,670 --> 02:31:46,880
november 3rd

3857
02:31:51,030 --> 02:31:49,680
uh but but wait for the spring wait for

3858
02:31:51,750 --> 02:31:51,040
the bottom to fall out of the dollar

3859
02:31:53,990 --> 02:31:51,760
because a lot

3860
02:31:55,190 --> 02:31:54,000
i don't know that that will happen but

3861
02:31:57,110 --> 02:31:55,200
that might happen

3862
02:31:58,230 --> 02:31:57,120
and and i just uh i had someone who

3863
02:32:00,550 --> 02:31:58,240
wrote to me today and said

3864
02:32:01,830 --> 02:32:00,560
i disagree with you richard you i think

3865
02:32:04,150 --> 02:32:01,840
the dollar will not

3866
02:32:05,670 --> 02:32:04,160
uh collapse i think you know we've we've

3867
02:32:07,190 --> 02:32:05,680
been pumping it up for decades and

3868
02:32:09,429 --> 02:32:07,200
decades and it's still going

3869
02:32:10,790 --> 02:32:09,439
that's true inflation hasn't gone but

3870
02:32:12,309 --> 02:32:10,800
but i've

3871
02:32:14,150 --> 02:32:12,319
i've been trying to understand this

3872
02:32:16,309 --> 02:32:14,160
economically and i'm not a finance

3873
02:32:17,670 --> 02:32:16,319
i'm not an economist but i try i try to

3874
02:32:19,590 --> 02:32:17,680
understand them and i will just say

3875
02:32:20,230 --> 02:32:19,600
there's a lot of very smart financial

3876
02:32:21,670 --> 02:32:20,240
experts

3877
02:32:23,270 --> 02:32:21,680
who are waiting for the dollar just to

3878
02:32:25,349 --> 02:32:23,280
go poof and if

3879
02:32:26,469 --> 02:32:25,359
slash when that happens probably in the

3880
02:32:28,550 --> 02:32:26,479
spring

3881
02:32:29,830 --> 02:32:28,560
any of the riots or craziness that we're

3882
02:32:32,790 --> 02:32:29,840
going to see in november

3883
02:32:33,510 --> 02:32:32,800
that's going to be nothing compared with

3884
02:32:35,910 --> 02:32:33,520
what happens

3885
02:32:37,349 --> 02:32:35,920
in the aftermath no matter who wins now

3886
02:32:40,550 --> 02:32:37,359
do you think that there

3887
02:32:44,389 --> 02:32:40,560
are state actors out there that

3888
02:32:47,750 --> 02:32:44,399
absolutely understand this

3889
02:32:50,230 --> 02:32:47,760
and are taking advantage of our

3890
02:32:51,910 --> 02:32:50,240
instability not only with with the

3891
02:32:52,230 --> 02:32:51,920
government the way it is right now oh do

3892
02:32:54,150 --> 02:32:52,240
you mean

3893
02:32:55,990 --> 02:32:54,160
state actors like international yes like

3894
02:32:58,230 --> 02:32:56,000
russia yes

3895
02:32:59,830 --> 02:32:58,240
maybe a little bit no what's happened

3896
02:33:03,110 --> 02:32:59,840
you don't think that some of these

3897
02:33:05,349 --> 02:33:03,120
well what i'm what i'm suggesting here

3898
02:33:08,150 --> 02:33:05,359
is that some of these conspiracies

3899
02:33:08,870 --> 02:33:08,160
that are being created are taking

3900
02:33:11,270 --> 02:33:08,880
advantage

3901
02:33:13,030 --> 02:33:11,280
of the divisiveness inside of this

3902
02:33:15,429 --> 02:33:13,040
country because right now people

3903
02:33:16,550 --> 02:33:15,439
will believe anything and they know yeah

3904
02:33:18,870 --> 02:33:16,560
i mean it's possible

3905
02:33:20,550 --> 02:33:18,880
uh other state actors sure but let's not

3906
02:33:22,070 --> 02:33:20,560
forget you know that the

3907
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:22,080
the nation that invented the color

3908
02:33:26,630 --> 02:33:24,240
revolution was the united states

3909
02:33:27,830 --> 02:33:26,640
right we are the masters of it uh we the

3910
02:33:29,670 --> 02:33:27,840
united states

3911
02:33:30,950 --> 02:33:29,680
is the expert at regime change and and

3912
02:33:33,030 --> 02:33:30,960
what we're seeing

3913
02:33:34,469 --> 02:33:33,040
is that that very diabolical art is

3914
02:33:36,790 --> 02:33:34,479
being brought back

3915
02:33:38,230 --> 02:33:36,800
by our own american actors against us

3916
02:33:39,990 --> 02:33:38,240
this is not the russians doing this

3917
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:40,000
russians didn't hack our election what a

3918
02:33:42,790 --> 02:33:41,840
joke of an argument no one's ever

3919
02:33:44,630 --> 02:33:42,800
presented any

3920
02:33:46,870 --> 02:33:44,640
coherent argument as to how the russians

3921
02:33:48,550 --> 02:33:46,880
could possibly have hacked

3922
02:33:50,710 --> 02:33:48,560
to use that word our election it's

3923
02:33:54,150 --> 02:33:50,720
ridiculous it's insulting

3924
02:33:57,590 --> 02:33:54,160
but what has happened is that the

3925
02:33:58,389 --> 02:33:57,600
art of the color revolution and i don't

3926
02:34:00,070 --> 02:33:58,399
know how much time we're gonna have to

3927
02:34:03,270 --> 02:34:00,080
get into this but

3928
02:34:04,550 --> 02:34:03,280
that which was used in former yugoslavia

3929
02:34:07,670 --> 02:34:04,560
it was used

3930
02:34:11,270 --> 02:34:07,680
in uh you know in eastern europe in

3931
02:34:13,110 --> 02:34:11,280
ukraine in 2004 in in in georgia in 2003

3932
02:34:15,990 --> 02:34:13,120
in kyrgyzstan in 2005

3933
02:34:18,230 --> 02:34:16,000
in the all through the arab spring uh

3934
02:34:20,950 --> 02:34:18,240
attempted and failed in iran in 2009

3935
02:34:21,990 --> 02:34:20,960
in the arab spring in 2011 in syria

3936
02:34:23,830 --> 02:34:22,000
where it failed

3937
02:34:26,030 --> 02:34:23,840
libya or obama yes all of these are

3938
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:26,040
color revolution protocols where you

3939
02:34:30,150 --> 02:34:28,640
destabilize the society by throwing a

3940
02:34:32,389 --> 02:34:30,160
lot of money in there

3941
02:34:33,510 --> 02:34:32,399
and you you bring your radicals in there

3942
02:34:36,070 --> 02:34:33,520
and you create

3943
02:34:37,750 --> 02:34:36,080
you create the division you don't just

3944
02:34:40,070 --> 02:34:37,760
do it through facebook posts like you do

3945
02:34:41,990 --> 02:34:40,080
through actual people and you pay them

3946
02:34:42,950 --> 02:34:42,000
money so that they can disrupt your

3947
02:34:44,309 --> 02:34:42,960
society

3948
02:34:46,230 --> 02:34:44,319
and when you pay them enough money then

3949
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:46,240
they start blowing [\h__\h] up

3950
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:47,920
and we haven't gotten to that too much

3951
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:49,439
yet i mean we're you know we're

3952
02:34:52,710 --> 02:34:51,200
i mean just two houses from from where i

3953
02:34:55,830 --> 02:34:52,720
live uh

3954
02:34:56,790 --> 02:34:55,840
antifa and blm torched and and uh

3955
02:34:58,550 --> 02:34:56,800
destroyed

3956
02:35:00,630 --> 02:34:58,560
or loot it i should say a walgreens it's

3957
02:35:02,790 --> 02:35:00,640
like right by my house

3958
02:35:04,309 --> 02:35:02,800
that happened i don't know if they were

3959
02:35:06,950 --> 02:35:04,319
paid to do that if they just

3960
02:35:08,150 --> 02:35:06,960
went crazy and and shot up the place on

3961
02:35:11,590 --> 02:35:08,160
their own volition

3962
02:35:13,750 --> 02:35:11,600
but what i am saying to you is money

3963
02:35:24,830 --> 02:35:13,760
pays for those things and we are seeing

3964
02:35:24,840 --> 02:35:36,950
bye

3965
02:35:42,710 --> 02:35:40,469
well and but see this is where and

3966
02:35:44,150 --> 02:35:42,720
when you say this right and you say it

3967
02:35:46,550 --> 02:35:44,160
out loud you're using

3968
02:35:47,429 --> 02:35:46,560
oxygen to project these words right and

3969
02:35:50,550 --> 02:35:47,439
we're we're

3970
02:35:52,550 --> 02:35:50,560
hearing it it's

3971
02:35:53,590 --> 02:35:52,560
one would say well yeah but where's the

3972
02:35:56,790 --> 02:35:53,600
proof

3973
02:35:59,510 --> 02:35:56,800
well every country right

3974
02:36:00,070 --> 02:35:59,520
every country everyone on this planet

3975
02:36:03,110 --> 02:36:00,080
right now

3976
02:36:05,429 --> 02:36:03,120
is signed up they're all on board

3977
02:36:07,030 --> 02:36:05,439
everybody's economy has been affected

3978
02:36:10,230 --> 02:36:07,040
all governments are

3979
02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:10,240
unstable right there are riots in every

3980
02:36:15,110 --> 02:36:11,439
capital

3981
02:36:18,469 --> 02:36:15,120
of every country right it's it's it's

3982
02:36:20,790 --> 02:36:18,479
crazy and we uh the

3983
02:36:21,990 --> 02:36:20,800
uh and there are still wars going on

3984
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:22,000
right we have what's happening

3985
02:36:28,870 --> 02:36:25,680
right now uh between uh armenia

3986
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:28,880
and azerbaijan which which is buried

3987
02:36:32,469 --> 02:36:30,880
in the news headlines it's not even

3988
02:36:34,830 --> 02:36:32,479
being covered

3989
02:36:36,150 --> 02:36:34,840
right everything is about the

3990
02:36:37,830 --> 02:36:36,160
instability of

3991
02:36:39,750 --> 02:36:37,840
of everything else on the planet right

3992
02:36:40,469 --> 02:36:39,760
now and anything else that is in the

3993
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:40,479
news

3994
02:36:45,830 --> 02:36:43,760
is effectively buried it's it's

3995
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:45,840
it's it's amazing to watch so yeah when

3996
02:36:50,950 --> 02:36:47,040
you say this

3997
02:36:54,710 --> 02:36:50,960
uh to to to achieve a global

3998
02:36:56,870 --> 02:36:54,720
uh control it all happened

3999
02:36:58,710 --> 02:36:56,880
but people ask like are the russians

4000
02:37:00,150 --> 02:36:58,720
influencing our society like you really

4001
02:37:02,070 --> 02:37:00,160
people have to get into some details

4002
02:37:04,150 --> 02:37:02,080
here like are they doing it through what

4003
02:37:07,110 --> 02:37:04,160
rt news

4004
02:37:08,710 --> 02:37:07,120
i mean that's kind of a joke um but

4005
02:37:12,150 --> 02:37:08,720
people actually put that out there

4006
02:37:12,790 --> 02:37:12,160
in all seriousness um how else are they

4007
02:37:14,710 --> 02:37:12,800
doing it through

4008
02:37:16,070 --> 02:37:14,720
a hundred thousand dollars of facebook

4009
02:37:18,950 --> 02:37:16,080
ads in 2016

4010
02:37:19,670 --> 02:37:18,960
when that's literally like that's that's

4011
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:19,680
nothing

4012
02:37:22,309 --> 02:37:21,120
you know we talk about the millions and

4013
02:37:23,110 --> 02:37:22,319
billions of dollars that are spent on

4014
02:37:26,710 --> 02:37:23,120
that campaign

4015
02:37:29,190 --> 02:37:26,720
so it's it's not a uh

4016
02:37:30,550 --> 02:37:29,200
it's not a realistic argument that one

4017
02:37:32,790 --> 02:37:30,560
can make

4018
02:37:33,590 --> 02:37:32,800
uh that the russians are do now the

4019
02:37:36,150 --> 02:37:33,600
russians

4020
02:37:37,750 --> 02:37:36,160
would be interested in having the u.s

4021
02:37:41,830 --> 02:37:37,760
back the hell off

4022
02:37:43,110 --> 02:37:41,840
in places like belarus and ukraine

4023
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:43,120
uh they would certainly like that

4024
02:37:47,110 --> 02:37:45,040
because what the us is doing there is

4025
02:37:48,630 --> 02:37:47,120
unbelievably aggressive and provocative

4026
02:37:49,590 --> 02:37:48,640
but of course americans never hear about

4027
02:37:53,349 --> 02:37:49,600
that stuff

4028
02:37:55,429 --> 02:37:53,359
um the russians would certainly love

4029
02:37:57,510 --> 02:37:55,439
for america to chill the hell out with a

4030
02:37:58,790 --> 02:37:57,520
lot of its policy yes i'm sure they

4031
02:38:01,750 --> 02:37:58,800
would

4032
02:38:03,429 --> 02:38:01,760
but um and they i'm sure people in the

4033
02:38:03,830 --> 02:38:03,439
russian government might have opinions

4034
02:38:05,830 --> 02:38:03,840
on

4035
02:38:07,830 --> 02:38:05,840
whether they prefer biden over trump

4036
02:38:09,590 --> 02:38:07,840
just like the leadership of china

4037
02:38:10,950 --> 02:38:09,600
probably has opinions as to whether they

4038
02:38:13,270 --> 02:38:10,960
prefer biden over trump

4039
02:38:14,150 --> 02:38:13,280
and it's entirely possible that russian

4040
02:38:17,750 --> 02:38:14,160
or chinese

4041
02:38:19,429 --> 02:38:17,760
actors might uh quietly be trying to

4042
02:38:21,349 --> 02:38:19,439
work behind the scenes to get

4043
02:38:22,790 --> 02:38:21,359
to get their goals met but the real

4044
02:38:25,510 --> 02:38:22,800
question is to what extent

4045
02:38:25,830 --> 02:38:25,520
can they do that and i it's not really

4046
02:38:27,349 --> 02:38:25,840
clear

4047
02:38:29,830 --> 02:38:27,359
that there's a lot of ability that they

4048
02:38:31,429 --> 02:38:29,840
have there you know

4049
02:38:33,110 --> 02:38:31,439
are they going to influence the uh the

4050
02:38:33,910 --> 02:38:33,120
polls are they going to let in other

4051
02:38:36,230 --> 02:38:33,920
genes

4052
02:38:37,750 --> 02:38:36,240
really uh are they are they putting in

4053
02:38:41,670 --> 02:38:37,760
facebook ads to what

4054
02:38:44,790 --> 02:38:41,680
make america go go crazy

4055
02:38:47,349 --> 02:38:44,800
well that we're we're doing that

4056
02:38:49,349 --> 02:38:47,359
our own networks are doing that who the

4057
02:38:50,389 --> 02:38:49,359
hell needs the russians for that

4058
02:38:53,190 --> 02:38:50,399
you know whether whether you're talking

4059
02:38:55,830 --> 02:38:53,200
about fox or msnbc or cnn

4060
02:38:56,550 --> 02:38:55,840
or any other network they or the new

4061
02:38:59,590 --> 02:38:56,560
york times

4062
02:39:01,110 --> 02:38:59,600
the you know the the stayed conservative

4063
02:39:03,510 --> 02:39:01,120
new york times yeah right

4064
02:39:05,190 --> 02:39:03,520
they all live on click bait they all

4065
02:39:07,190 --> 02:39:05,200
live on rage bait

4066
02:39:08,469 --> 02:39:07,200
all of them that's where they get their

4067
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:08,479
money so they

4068
02:39:14,309 --> 02:39:12,000
all they all do this

4069
02:39:15,830 --> 02:39:14,319
so i mean to say this is like a russian

4070
02:39:17,830 --> 02:39:15,840
plan i mean it's just

4071
02:39:18,870 --> 02:39:17,840
what i mean i've never been impressed by

4072
02:39:19,590 --> 02:39:18,880
that argument i've always thought it was

4073
02:39:21,910 --> 02:39:19,600
a joke and

4074
02:39:23,590 --> 02:39:21,920
uh and indeed it is a joke it's a bad

4075
02:39:24,630 --> 02:39:23,600
joke yeah what what i find so

4076
02:39:27,830 --> 02:39:24,640
fascinating

4077
02:39:29,510 --> 02:39:27,840
is that i can go and i do this and i'm

4078
02:39:32,630 --> 02:39:29,520
sure you do too

4079
02:39:35,910 --> 02:39:32,640
is i will go every day

4080
02:39:36,950 --> 02:39:35,920
and i will check out uh you know a dozen

4081
02:39:40,230 --> 02:39:36,960
or so

4082
02:39:43,230 --> 02:39:40,240
major media outlets around the world

4083
02:39:44,870 --> 02:39:43,240
and i just don't check it out yes but

4084
02:39:48,550 --> 02:39:44,880
everyone

4085
02:39:49,990 --> 02:39:48,560
has a different view of what is going on

4086
02:39:52,070 --> 02:39:50,000
it's like wait wait a minute you can't

4087
02:39:53,590 --> 02:39:52,080
get two to line up really

4088
02:39:55,830 --> 02:39:53,600
you can't get well if they're western

4089
02:39:56,950 --> 02:39:55,840
based then you you're really not getting

4090
02:40:00,150 --> 02:39:56,960
that many views

4091
02:40:02,870 --> 02:40:00,160
if you go to what i'm if you go to rt

4092
02:40:04,230 --> 02:40:02,880
and look at their view of the world and

4093
02:40:07,510 --> 02:40:04,240
and what is going on

4094
02:40:10,469 --> 02:40:07,520
and and look at fox or msnbc or bbc

4095
02:40:12,309 --> 02:40:10,479
or sky news go anyway just going

4096
02:40:15,670 --> 02:40:12,319
everybody has got a different

4097
02:40:16,790 --> 02:40:15,680
take of what is going on it is it's it's

4098
02:40:18,950 --> 02:40:16,800
mind-blowing to me

4099
02:40:19,990 --> 02:40:18,960
you can't get like i said you can't get

4100
02:40:22,710 --> 02:40:20,000
two to

4101
02:40:23,269 --> 02:40:22,720
like line up and go okay i guess there's

4102
02:40:26,630 --> 02:40:23,279
i can

4103
02:40:28,550 --> 02:40:26,640
average out the status of the world

4104
02:40:29,990 --> 02:40:28,560
with uh these two or three sites you

4105
02:40:33,349 --> 02:40:30,000
can't it's all

4106
02:40:36,150 --> 02:40:33,359
completely uh skewered and also

4107
02:40:37,190 --> 02:40:36,160
uh opinion-based you know it's it's

4108
02:40:39,269 --> 02:40:37,200
nothing is factual

4109
02:40:40,710 --> 02:40:39,279
a lot of it is very very opinion-based

4110
02:40:43,670 --> 02:40:40,720
yeah richard

4111
02:40:45,190 --> 02:40:43,680
thank you so much and uh real quick uh

4112
02:40:46,710 --> 02:40:45,200
before i let you go how are you and

4113
02:40:50,550 --> 02:40:46,720
tracy doing are you

4114
02:40:53,110 --> 02:40:50,560
are you in lockdown uh are you uh

4115
02:40:55,110 --> 02:40:53,120
gonna make an attempt to to get out and

4116
02:40:57,030 --> 02:40:55,120
and start to see the world again

4117
02:40:58,469 --> 02:40:57,040
we yes we will definitely attempt to do

4118
02:41:00,469 --> 02:40:58,479
that we're doing we're doing

4119
02:41:02,230 --> 02:41:00,479
fine we're doing well i mean as well as

4120
02:41:05,030 --> 02:41:02,240
lockdown life can

4121
02:41:06,389 --> 02:41:05,040
have you live uh i i you know do

4122
02:41:08,150 --> 02:41:06,399
everything i can to resist

4123
02:41:10,150 --> 02:41:08,160
the lockdown i was just in uh new york

4124
02:41:12,870 --> 02:41:10,160
city last couple of days

4125
02:41:15,750 --> 02:41:12,880
for um history channel stuff and i was

4126
02:41:18,070 --> 02:41:15,760
walking around new york city and

4127
02:41:19,590 --> 02:41:18,080
you know this is just me and people

4128
02:41:20,550 --> 02:41:19,600
going to [\h__\h] at me and they can you're

4129
02:41:23,830 --> 02:41:20,560
allowed

4130
02:41:26,469 --> 02:41:23,840
um if you're outside right you're

4131
02:41:27,030 --> 02:41:26,479
outside in the breeze and the outdoors

4132
02:41:33,190 --> 02:41:27,040
and you are

4133
02:41:33,910 --> 02:41:33,200
do you need a mask and and i'm just

4134
02:41:37,190 --> 02:41:33,920
saying this

4135
02:41:41,030 --> 02:41:37,200
out loud my my personal answer is

4136
02:41:43,110 --> 02:41:41,040
no you do not uh but i see people doing

4137
02:41:47,190 --> 02:41:43,120
it all the time and i just think

4138
02:41:50,630 --> 02:41:47,200
why like there's no science there

4139
02:41:52,070 --> 02:41:50,640
but what i what i'm seeing is a lot of

4140
02:41:55,030 --> 02:41:52,080
social control

4141
02:41:55,269 --> 02:41:55,040
and that scares the hell out of me there

4142
02:42:02,950 --> 02:41:55,279
is

4143
02:42:05,590 --> 02:42:02,960
that says when you are outside and you

4144
02:42:08,790 --> 02:42:05,600
are socially distanced from other people

4145
02:42:10,630 --> 02:42:08,800
that you have to wear a mask that that

4146
02:42:12,870 --> 02:42:10,640
helps anything it doesn't help a single

4147
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:12,880
thing probably harms you

4148
02:42:16,150 --> 02:42:14,640
you're probably not breathing properly

4149
02:42:19,429 --> 02:42:16,160
and yet people do it

4150
02:42:20,630 --> 02:42:19,439
all the time so i'm i don't i didn't

4151
02:42:21,750 --> 02:42:20,640
mean to put you on the spot

4152
02:42:23,910 --> 02:42:21,760
i don't know what your opinion on this

4153
02:42:26,070 --> 02:42:23,920
and all we haven't talked about it but

4154
02:42:28,870 --> 02:42:26,080
anyway i was just looking around and i i

4155
02:42:29,510 --> 02:42:28,880
look at this crazy insane lockdown world

4156
02:42:31,830 --> 02:42:29,520
and

4157
02:42:33,030 --> 02:42:31,840
i'm going to tell you man i to the

4158
02:42:36,790 --> 02:42:33,040
extent that i am

4159
02:42:38,710 --> 02:42:36,800
able to resist that

4160
02:42:39,990 --> 02:42:38,720
that's going to be my hashtag resistance

4161
02:42:43,110 --> 02:42:40,000
it's like i just think

4162
02:42:46,550 --> 02:42:43,120
i want to preserve as much

4163
02:42:49,349 --> 02:42:46,560
genuine sane rational freedom

4164
02:42:50,950 --> 02:42:49,359
as i am able to preserve in whatever

4165
02:42:51,750 --> 02:42:50,960
amount of time i have left to walk this

4166
02:42:55,030 --> 02:42:51,760
earth

4167
02:42:55,750 --> 02:42:55,040
on this side of the veil so um i was in

4168
02:42:57,670 --> 02:42:55,760
starbucks

4169
02:42:59,670 --> 02:42:57,680
yesterday i want to ask you uh really

4170
02:43:01,510 --> 02:42:59,680
quick about new york city actually and

4171
02:43:03,190 --> 02:43:01,520
what version of it is real

4172
02:43:05,190 --> 02:43:03,200
uh that is projected out to the world

4173
02:43:08,950 --> 02:43:05,200
but i was in starbucks yesterday

4174
02:43:11,110 --> 02:43:08,960
uh and uh oddly enough i was out

4175
02:43:13,110 --> 02:43:11,120
uh on my way to go do some taping as

4176
02:43:16,710 --> 02:43:13,120
well had to get that done

4177
02:43:19,590 --> 02:43:16,720
so uh stop by starbucks to to get a

4178
02:43:21,429 --> 02:43:19,600
a coffee and a sandwich to hit the road

4179
02:43:25,030 --> 02:43:21,439
right to go do this interview

4180
02:43:29,670 --> 02:43:25,040
and um uh i couldn't

4181
02:43:31,429 --> 02:43:29,680
understand what the very nice barista

4182
02:43:35,990 --> 02:43:31,439
was saying on the other side of the

4183
02:43:39,110 --> 02:43:36,000
glass and there was like four or five

4184
02:43:41,030 --> 02:43:39,120
and finally uh

4185
02:43:42,710 --> 02:43:41,040
we we got everything done everything was

4186
02:43:44,790 --> 02:43:42,720
fine but i pulled my mask down i said

4187
02:43:46,950 --> 02:43:44,800
you know this is just [\h__\h]

4188
02:43:47,990 --> 02:43:46,960
i can't deal with this anymore i can't

4189
02:43:49,670 --> 02:43:48,000
see your face

4190
02:43:51,670 --> 02:43:49,680
i can't see your expression i don't know

4191
02:43:54,230 --> 02:43:51,680
if you're angry at me

4192
02:43:55,190 --> 02:43:54,240
or if you're smiling you can't see if

4193
02:43:58,389 --> 02:43:55,200
i'm angry

4194
02:43:59,190 --> 02:43:58,399
or smiling siphoning the humanity out of

4195
02:44:02,230 --> 02:43:59,200
our interactions

4196
02:44:03,269 --> 02:44:02,240
right right and and ultimately and she

4197
02:44:05,750 --> 02:44:03,279
pulled down her mass

4198
02:44:07,510 --> 02:44:05,760
too broke protocol and laughed and said

4199
02:44:10,630 --> 02:44:07,520
yeah we're tired of it too

4200
02:44:13,830 --> 02:44:10,640
um now i'm inside of starbucks

4201
02:44:15,510 --> 02:44:13,840
i need to respect that right okay i

4202
02:44:17,429 --> 02:44:15,520
i get that that's a clo and there's

4203
02:44:19,910 --> 02:44:17,439
people around me

4204
02:44:20,870 --> 02:44:19,920
that i need to respect their space too

4205
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:20,880
and i don't know what

4206
02:44:23,990 --> 02:44:23,279
where their mind is if they're against

4207
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:24,000
or for

4208
02:44:31,429 --> 02:44:27,840
or whatever so play the odds keep

4209
02:44:32,870 --> 02:44:31,439
asking and i get it outside as soon as i

4210
02:44:35,110 --> 02:44:32,880
walk out of the door i'm pulling that

4211
02:44:37,030 --> 02:44:35,120
thing down and i'm like

4212
02:44:38,790 --> 02:44:37,040
i can breathe again you know you're in

4213
02:44:39,590 --> 02:44:38,800
los angeles where the weather's perfect

4214
02:44:43,030 --> 02:44:39,600
every single day

4215
02:44:45,429 --> 02:44:43,040
oh stop that i wish it was so

4216
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:45,439
i i i do i wish it was but we're going

4217
02:44:50,150 --> 02:44:47,279
to skip that conversation

4218
02:44:51,510 --> 02:44:50,160
but it's it's beautiful every day but i

4219
02:44:52,230 --> 02:44:51,520
don't want to brag and i don't want to

4220
02:44:55,429 --> 02:44:52,240
boast

4221
02:44:59,670 --> 02:44:55,439
but back to new york what is the version

4222
02:45:02,710 --> 02:44:59,680
that is real are there is crime rampage

4223
02:45:05,510 --> 02:45:02,720
is there or is it the opposite

4224
02:45:07,590 --> 02:45:05,520
and i've heard uh a lot of people say

4225
02:45:09,670 --> 02:45:07,600
you know i live in new york and this is

4226
02:45:12,150 --> 02:45:09,680
uh this has been the greatest it's ever

4227
02:45:14,070 --> 02:45:12,160
been uh things are being blown out so

4228
02:45:15,269 --> 02:45:14,080
what what did you see what's the what's

4229
02:45:16,550 --> 02:45:15,279
the real story i can't give you an

4230
02:45:18,150 --> 02:45:16,560
authoritative answer i haven't lived in

4231
02:45:20,070 --> 02:45:18,160
new york since i was a little kid

4232
02:45:21,190 --> 02:45:20,080
um i've been there many times i have

4233
02:45:22,550 --> 02:45:21,200
friends there

4234
02:45:24,630 --> 02:45:22,560
uh my friends will tell me different

4235
02:45:26,630 --> 02:45:24,640
things as well though all right so

4236
02:45:27,990 --> 02:45:26,640
now what i saw i was in the upper upper

4237
02:45:30,469 --> 02:45:28,000
end of manhattan uh

4238
02:45:31,910 --> 02:45:30,479
and in the lower bronx uh not the most

4239
02:45:32,790 --> 02:45:31,920
exciting part of new york city it's

4240
02:45:37,030 --> 02:45:32,800
where we did our shoot

4241
02:45:38,150 --> 02:45:37,040
and uh i i didn't i didn't find it all

4242
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:38,160
that

4243
02:45:42,070 --> 02:45:39,840
amazing the weather wasn't great it was

4244
02:45:43,190 --> 02:45:42,080
just i was just really there to do work

4245
02:45:44,469 --> 02:45:43,200
i didn't have a lot of social

4246
02:45:45,590 --> 02:45:44,479
interaction i didn't any social

4247
02:45:48,790 --> 02:45:45,600
interaction

4248
02:45:50,870 --> 02:45:48,800
but um but new york's crime rate is up

4249
02:45:54,830 --> 02:45:50,880
like crime's up in all major cities

4250
02:45:57,910 --> 02:45:54,840
that's that's quantifiable um

4251
02:46:02,070 --> 02:45:57,920
social the social cohesion

4252
02:46:04,230 --> 02:46:02,080
is obviously breaking down there

4253
02:46:05,510 --> 02:46:04,240
in chicago probably certainly in

4254
02:46:06,950 --> 02:46:05,520
portland and seattle we've all been

4255
02:46:09,830 --> 02:46:06,960
hearing about that that's just been

4256
02:46:10,870 --> 02:46:09,840
absolutely bonkers but in uh you know

4257
02:46:12,230 --> 02:46:10,880
most of the big cities

4258
02:46:14,230 --> 02:46:12,240
uh social cohesion is definitely

4259
02:46:16,469 --> 02:46:14,240
breaking down crime is up

4260
02:46:17,670 --> 02:46:16,479
uh you know and people are fleeing the

4261
02:46:20,389 --> 02:46:17,680
cities yeah that

4262
02:46:21,830 --> 02:46:20,399
was my next question did you feel that

4263
02:46:23,750 --> 02:46:21,840
uh because

4264
02:46:25,269 --> 02:46:23,760
look every time anybody goes to new york

4265
02:46:26,870 --> 02:46:25,279
the first thing that you say to yourself

4266
02:46:27,590 --> 02:46:26,880
is holy crap there's a lot of people

4267
02:46:31,110 --> 02:46:27,600
here

4268
02:46:32,230 --> 02:46:31,120
yeah what was it like well

4269
02:46:34,230 --> 02:46:32,240
i mean it's still new york city there's

4270
02:46:38,710 --> 02:46:34,240
still a lot of people there right right

4271
02:46:40,389 --> 02:46:38,720
right um uh i don't i couldn't really

4272
02:46:41,750 --> 02:46:40,399
you know my assessment really would not

4273
02:46:43,030 --> 02:46:41,760
be representative and it wouldn't

4274
02:46:43,429 --> 02:46:43,040
wouldn't be that good i spent most of my

4275
02:46:45,990 --> 02:46:43,439
time

4276
02:46:47,030 --> 02:46:46,000
honestly in a tiny classic tiny new york

4277
02:46:49,670 --> 02:46:47,040
city hotel room

4278
02:46:50,469 --> 02:46:49,680
on my bed doing writing couldn't even

4279
02:46:53,030 --> 02:46:50,479
sit at the desk

4280
02:46:54,309 --> 02:46:53,040
desk was too tiny so i didn't really

4281
02:46:56,150 --> 02:46:54,319
have a lot of uh

4282
02:46:58,469 --> 02:46:56,160
a lot of experience with it on this

4283
02:46:59,510 --> 02:46:58,479
occasion other times i go to new york a

4284
02:47:01,830 --> 02:46:59,520
lot i

4285
02:47:03,910 --> 02:47:01,840
love new york city you know it's my it's

4286
02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:03,920
my roots it's my people

4287
02:47:08,630 --> 02:47:07,200
i'll always love it but um it's been a

4288
02:47:09,590 --> 02:47:08,640
little while like i haven't really been

4289
02:47:12,790 --> 02:47:09,600
there in about a year

4290
02:47:15,590 --> 02:47:12,800
so uh i wouldn't know how to tell you

4291
02:47:16,790 --> 02:47:15,600
yeah i don't know i don't know how i

4292
02:47:20,230 --> 02:47:16,800
don't know how much we've

4293
02:47:22,630 --> 02:47:20,240
changed uh not only as a as a country

4294
02:47:23,349 --> 02:47:22,640
in individual cities or the rest of the

4295
02:47:27,110 --> 02:47:23,359
world

4296
02:47:30,870 --> 02:47:27,120
i don't know but i i feel it in my bones

4297
02:47:33,429 --> 02:47:30,880
that it's not going to be the same ever

4298
02:47:34,070 --> 02:47:33,439
no this is a new 911 yeah so we have to

4299
02:47:37,830 --> 02:47:34,080
we have to record

4300
02:47:40,950 --> 02:47:37,840
911 was the the first kind of reset

4301
02:47:42,550 --> 02:47:40,960
right of our society sure uh

4302
02:47:44,389 --> 02:47:42,560
and now you hear people talking all the

4303
02:47:45,590 --> 02:47:44,399
time about a new reset

4304
02:47:49,110 --> 02:47:45,600
that's that's one of the words that's

4305
02:47:51,269 --> 02:47:49,120
out there uh this this is probably

4306
02:47:52,870 --> 02:47:51,279
this could be bigger than 911 in terms

4307
02:47:54,070 --> 02:47:52,880
of a reset i think it probably will be

4308
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:54,080
bigger than 911

4309
02:47:57,190 --> 02:47:56,000
and that's saying something because 911

4310
02:47:58,950 --> 02:47:57,200
i didn't think

4311
02:48:00,630 --> 02:47:58,960
in our lifetime that anything would be

4312
02:48:01,990 --> 02:48:00,640
bigger than 911 but i think

4313
02:48:04,150 --> 02:48:02,000
what we're living through right now the

4314
02:48:07,990 --> 02:48:04,160
coved lockdowns

4315
02:48:09,670 --> 02:48:08,000
uh objectively speaking i think it's

4316
02:48:11,750 --> 02:48:09,680
it's already bigger like in the first

4317
02:48:12,389 --> 02:48:11,760
year if you look at how the world

4318
02:48:16,070 --> 02:48:12,399
changed

4319
02:48:17,110 --> 02:48:16,080
from 2001 to 2002 and then from 2019 to

4320
02:48:19,269 --> 02:48:17,120
2020

4321
02:48:21,110 --> 02:48:19,279
i think it's bigger what we're going

4322
02:48:22,870 --> 02:48:21,120
through now

4323
02:48:24,950 --> 02:48:22,880
so and we're only at the beginning you

4324
02:48:26,790 --> 02:48:24,960
know the real repercussions of 911 was

4325
02:48:29,510 --> 02:48:26,800
the legal revolution

4326
02:48:31,429 --> 02:48:29,520
that came about in the aftermath of 9 11

4327
02:48:34,630 --> 02:48:31,439
so starting with the usa patriot act

4328
02:48:36,309 --> 02:48:34,640
on october 24 2001 yes but then with a

4329
02:48:37,590 --> 02:48:36,319
series of ndaa's national defense

4330
02:48:40,070 --> 02:48:37,600
authorization acts

4331
02:48:41,670 --> 02:48:40,080
uh over the next over the whole george w

4332
02:48:42,630 --> 02:48:41,680
bush years and then reauthorized through

4333
02:48:44,550 --> 02:48:42,640
the obama years

4334
02:48:45,910 --> 02:48:44,560
that people don't even know about that

4335
02:48:48,070 --> 02:48:45,920
stuff that's

4336
02:48:49,750 --> 02:48:48,080
bad news what we've had is a series of

4337
02:48:50,469 --> 02:48:49,760
legal revolutions in the aftermath of

4338
02:48:52,710 --> 02:48:50,479
911

4339
02:48:54,230 --> 02:48:52,720
that have given us the kind of

4340
02:48:56,830 --> 02:48:54,240
nightmarish world that

4341
02:48:59,510 --> 02:48:56,840
came out of it but with the covet

4342
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:59,520
lockdown it's already

4343
02:49:03,269 --> 02:49:01,120
we're already going pedal to the metal

4344
02:49:06,469 --> 02:49:03,279
and and we're not going to be done

4345
02:49:09,349 --> 02:49:06,479
this is going for a while this is not

4346
02:49:10,870 --> 02:49:09,359
if biden gets elected like okay like the

4347
02:49:11,670 --> 02:49:10,880
whole state of california is hoping i'm

4348
02:49:13,269 --> 02:49:11,680
sure

4349
02:49:14,710 --> 02:49:13,279
you're not going back to a normal it's

4350
02:49:18,230 --> 02:49:14,720
not going to happen

4351
02:49:19,670 --> 02:49:18,240
it won't happen i mean

4352
02:49:21,990 --> 02:49:19,680
so you won't have a president that does

4353
02:49:25,190 --> 02:49:22,000
2 a.m twitters anymore like whoopty do

4354
02:49:28,309 --> 02:49:25,200
like in terms of actual policy

4355
02:49:31,110 --> 02:49:28,319
there's no going back to the olden days

4356
02:49:32,710 --> 02:49:31,120
there is going forward into greater

4357
02:49:33,110 --> 02:49:32,720
censorship because that's not going to

4358
02:49:35,910 --> 02:49:33,120
stop

4359
02:49:36,630 --> 02:49:35,920
obviously i think we can all see that um

4360
02:49:40,950 --> 02:49:36,640
and

4361
02:49:41,910 --> 02:49:40,960
little items that are being introduced

4362
02:49:44,790 --> 02:49:41,920
into our

4363
02:49:46,070 --> 02:49:44,800
culture now that's not going to stop and

4364
02:49:46,870 --> 02:49:46,080
then the economy is not going to fix

4365
02:49:48,469 --> 02:49:46,880
itself

4366
02:49:50,230 --> 02:49:48,479
the only way to fix the economy is end

4367
02:49:52,230 --> 02:49:50,240
the lockdown like this very second

4368
02:49:53,990 --> 02:49:52,240
that's right like literally end the

4369
02:49:55,590 --> 02:49:54,000
lockdown worldwide

4370
02:49:57,670 --> 02:49:55,600
right now should have been done six

4371
02:49:59,830 --> 02:49:57,680
months ago should have been

4372
02:50:01,269 --> 02:49:59,840
that whole lockdown was a horrible

4373
02:50:04,550 --> 02:50:01,279
mistake

4374
02:50:05,429 --> 02:50:04,560
generous here but let's just call it

4375
02:50:08,630 --> 02:50:05,439
that

4376
02:50:09,990 --> 02:50:08,640
but what and this is the the there will

4377
02:50:13,110 --> 02:50:10,000
never be another example

4378
02:50:15,030 --> 02:50:13,120
ever in modern history of the cure being

4379
02:50:16,870 --> 02:50:15,040
worse than the disease than this

4380
02:50:18,950 --> 02:50:16,880
this is the there will never be anything

4381
02:50:21,590 --> 02:50:18,960
that will exceed this

4382
02:50:23,030 --> 02:50:21,600
like the the so-called cure that we have

4383
02:50:27,910 --> 02:50:23,040
of co-fed

4384
02:50:29,349 --> 02:50:27,920
has has destroyed the global economy

4385
02:50:31,429 --> 02:50:29,359
people don't understand because most

4386
02:50:34,469 --> 02:50:31,439
people don't understand economics but

4387
02:50:36,469 --> 02:50:34,479
it is it's a mortal blow

4388
02:50:37,910 --> 02:50:36,479
now what do we do though but richard

4389
02:50:39,750 --> 02:50:37,920
this is this is

4390
02:50:41,510 --> 02:50:39,760
and and you're right you're absolutely

4391
02:50:42,790 --> 02:50:41,520
right everything that you just said you

4392
02:50:45,269 --> 02:50:42,800
are correct about

4393
02:50:45,910 --> 02:50:45,279
but then we've got this other aspect

4394
02:50:47,990 --> 02:50:45,920
which is

4395
02:50:49,750 --> 02:50:48,000
also about to hit us forget about the

4396
02:50:52,630 --> 02:50:49,760
economy and everything else

4397
02:50:53,590 --> 02:50:52,640
but we've got vaccines on the horizon

4398
02:50:58,230 --> 02:50:53,600
and

4399
02:51:01,190 --> 02:50:58,240
cure or not

4400
02:51:03,190 --> 02:51:01,200
is this also another form of control are

4401
02:51:05,269 --> 02:51:03,200
you going to have travel restrictions

4402
02:51:07,510 --> 02:51:05,279
are you guys a form of control there

4403
02:51:08,469 --> 02:51:07,520
look there are ways of dealing with cop

4404
02:51:10,790 --> 02:51:08,479
everyone loves to talk about

4405
02:51:12,630 --> 02:51:10,800
hydroxychloroquine and the the people

4406
02:51:13,349 --> 02:51:12,640
who hate trump are like that's a bs

4407
02:51:16,150 --> 02:51:13,359
solution

4408
02:51:18,230 --> 02:51:16,160
no sorry it isn't uh combined with other

4409
02:51:18,630 --> 02:51:18,240
modalities it's actually been shown to

4410
02:51:20,550 --> 02:51:18,640
be

4411
02:51:23,030 --> 02:51:20,560
pretty darn effective like there are

4412
02:51:25,429 --> 02:51:23,040
cheap simple ways

4413
02:51:27,030 --> 02:51:25,439
vitamin d for god's sake right like

4414
02:51:30,070 --> 02:51:27,040
there's a few things that actually

4415
02:51:32,630 --> 02:51:30,080
really do help us uh in

4416
02:51:33,670 --> 02:51:32,640
reducing mortality rates with us um

4417
02:51:36,389 --> 02:51:33,680
which by the way

4418
02:51:38,309 --> 02:51:36,399
it's nasty there's no question covid19

4419
02:51:40,469 --> 02:51:38,319
is nasty it's worse than a flu

4420
02:51:41,429 --> 02:51:40,479
but it's also not spanish flu it's also

4421
02:51:43,510 --> 02:51:41,439
not black death

4422
02:51:44,710 --> 02:51:43,520
like this is not the worst thing that we

4423
02:51:47,830 --> 02:51:44,720
have ever seen

4424
02:51:50,309 --> 02:51:47,840
it's bad it is bad

4425
02:51:51,190 --> 02:51:50,319
but is it bad enough that we have to

4426
02:51:55,110 --> 02:51:51,200
shut down

4427
02:51:57,190 --> 02:51:55,120
the global economy which which kills

4428
02:51:58,710 --> 02:51:57,200
far more people and puts far more people

4429
02:52:01,750 --> 02:51:58,720
into into dire poverty

4430
02:52:05,190 --> 02:52:01,760
and destroys far more lives obviously

4431
02:52:08,070 --> 02:52:05,200
so that's what we have done and

4432
02:52:09,429 --> 02:52:08,080
um where was i going with this so anyway

4433
02:52:11,030 --> 02:52:09,439
we were talking about vaccines

4434
02:52:12,790 --> 02:52:11,040
there's no new normal you know right

4435
02:52:13,590 --> 02:52:12,800
we're not going back so if biden wins on

4436
02:52:15,349 --> 02:52:13,600
november 3rd

4437
02:52:17,510 --> 02:52:15,359
if that happens and you never really

4438
02:52:20,469 --> 02:52:17,520
know like he's ahead in the polls but

4439
02:52:21,190 --> 02:52:20,479
that doesn't mean a whole lot to me um i

4440
02:52:24,150 --> 02:52:21,200
i would say it's

4441
02:52:25,510 --> 02:52:24,160
it's 50 50 easy it's not going to be a

4442
02:52:26,870 --> 02:52:25,520
landslide either way

4443
02:52:29,110 --> 02:52:26,880
which is actually going to be bad for

4444
02:52:29,670 --> 02:52:29,120
the society because that's what i said

4445
02:52:32,950 --> 02:52:29,680
earlier

4446
02:52:35,269 --> 02:52:32,960
yeah one way there's

4447
02:52:36,790 --> 02:52:35,279
the point is biden wins it's not going

4448
02:52:38,230 --> 02:52:36,800
to fix things

4449
02:52:40,870 --> 02:52:38,240
if trump wins that's not going to fix

4450
02:52:41,990 --> 02:52:40,880
things either we've screwed ourselves

4451
02:52:45,030 --> 02:52:42,000
here

4452
02:52:48,790 --> 02:52:45,040
the the whole

4453
02:52:51,750 --> 02:52:48,800
uh uh the ability to to get a job

4454
02:52:52,950 --> 02:52:51,760
uh only if you've been vaccinated or if

4455
02:52:54,870 --> 02:52:52,960
you have proof or

4456
02:52:56,550 --> 02:52:54,880
yeah the vaccine let me just say this so

4457
02:52:58,710 --> 02:52:56,560
i'm i'm not

4458
02:52:59,910 --> 02:52:58,720
i've not had a vaccine for anything in

4459
02:53:01,750 --> 02:52:59,920
my living memory

4460
02:53:03,110 --> 02:53:01,760
like i mean i know i had vaccines

4461
02:53:05,030 --> 02:53:03,120
earlier at some point in my life

4462
02:53:06,469 --> 02:53:05,040
but i've never had a flu vaccine and i

4463
02:53:08,469 --> 02:53:06,479
would never take one i

4464
02:53:10,070 --> 02:53:08,479
absolutely am dead set again same here

4465
02:53:12,550 --> 02:53:10,080
same here yeah so i'm

4466
02:53:13,349 --> 02:53:12,560
just not into it and i don't trust them

4467
02:53:14,870 --> 02:53:13,359
um

4468
02:53:16,630 --> 02:53:14,880
when my daughter was taking a lot of

4469
02:53:17,830 --> 02:53:16,640
biology classes in her university she

4470
02:53:21,030 --> 02:53:17,840
came down

4471
02:53:23,830 --> 02:53:21,040
really really hard on me about that but

4472
02:53:24,870 --> 02:53:23,840
uh anyway i let that ride um now with

4473
02:53:27,990 --> 02:53:24,880
the covid uh

4474
02:53:29,510 --> 02:53:28,000
one of the people on my website uh

4475
02:53:31,590 --> 02:53:29,520
was a little bit upset with me because i

4476
02:53:32,870 --> 02:53:31,600
had written a piece i read a lot of

4477
02:53:35,670 --> 02:53:32,880
things just from my website

4478
02:53:37,269 --> 02:53:35,680
um and i was just saying look it sounded

4479
02:53:39,510 --> 02:53:37,279
like i was throwing in the towel at some

4480
02:53:41,590 --> 02:53:39,520
point i said look because

4481
02:53:43,349 --> 02:53:41,600
we you want a society back like there's

4482
02:53:44,630 --> 02:53:43,359
no way we're going to be allowed to have

4483
02:53:46,309 --> 02:53:44,640
it back without the vaccine

4484
02:53:47,910 --> 02:53:46,319
like we can see like we've been

4485
02:53:50,150 --> 02:53:47,920
checkmated here

4486
02:53:51,429 --> 02:53:50,160
like bill gates and his people like they

4487
02:53:52,950 --> 02:53:51,439
want the vaccine

4488
02:53:54,870 --> 02:53:52,960
they're going to get their damn vaccine

4489
02:53:55,670 --> 02:53:54,880
and so i wrote something like that for

4490
02:53:58,790 --> 02:53:55,680
my site

4491
02:54:01,510 --> 02:53:58,800
and one of my readers

4492
02:54:02,870 --> 02:54:01,520
uh who's she's a wonderful uh lady i

4493
02:54:05,590 --> 02:54:02,880
really like her a lot

4494
02:54:07,349 --> 02:54:05,600
she just was very upset that i had this

4495
02:54:08,950 --> 02:54:07,359
defeatist attitude because she's a total

4496
02:54:12,870 --> 02:54:08,960
anti-vaxxer

4497
02:54:15,590 --> 02:54:12,880
and um an anti-covet vaxxer anyway

4498
02:54:16,790 --> 02:54:15,600
and i get where she's coming from like i

4499
02:54:20,309 --> 02:54:16,800
completely get it

4500
02:54:22,150 --> 02:54:20,319
my attitude is like it's a done deal

4501
02:54:23,590 --> 02:54:22,160
like we lost this now there's going to

4502
02:54:25,670 --> 02:54:23,600
be a lot of people in this world who are

4503
02:54:27,750 --> 02:54:25,680
going to refuse that vaccination

4504
02:54:28,710 --> 02:54:27,760
and i will be very interested to see how

4505
02:54:29,910 --> 02:54:28,720
that works out

4506
02:54:32,710 --> 02:54:29,920
but you've already got countries like i

4507
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:32,720
think brazil probably at least

4508
02:54:37,190 --> 02:54:35,840
one of the provinces in australia um

4509
02:54:38,630 --> 02:54:37,200
probably other countries are going to be

4510
02:54:40,150 --> 02:54:38,640
mandating vaccines they're already

4511
02:54:43,510 --> 02:54:40,160
talking like this

4512
02:54:45,910 --> 02:54:43,520
like making it law like this is insane

4513
02:54:47,750 --> 02:54:45,920
so yeah for you to go back to work for

4514
02:54:48,309 --> 02:54:47,760
you to go back to school for you to

4515
02:54:52,230 --> 02:54:48,319
travel

4516
02:54:54,469 --> 02:54:52,240
internationally anything like that

4517
02:54:56,790 --> 02:54:54,479
where you're you're going to have to uh

4518
02:54:59,670 --> 02:54:56,800
maybe carry a card

4519
02:55:00,710 --> 02:54:59,680
or or you know some kind of electronic

4520
02:55:04,230 --> 02:55:00,720
proof

4521
02:55:10,710 --> 02:55:07,830
biological passport or yes yeah

4522
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:10,720
exactly yeah yeah and and i see that so

4523
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:11,840
the opportunity

4524
02:55:17,030 --> 02:55:15,359
is there moving us that much closer to

4525
02:55:18,550 --> 02:55:17,040
becoming the big ant colony

4526
02:55:20,790 --> 02:55:18,560
that that is what's happening like it's

4527
02:55:22,469 --> 02:55:20,800
a total a control system that's

4528
02:55:24,070 --> 02:55:22,479
being put into place to monitor every

4529
02:55:27,269 --> 02:55:24,080
single thing about us so

4530
02:55:29,750 --> 02:55:27,279
uh i i despise the idea of a vaccine and

4531
02:55:32,870 --> 02:55:29,760
i think it is

4532
02:55:34,870 --> 02:55:32,880
biologically speaking not necessary

4533
02:55:37,030 --> 02:55:34,880
that's my opinion people can disagree

4534
02:55:37,590 --> 02:55:37,040
with me but it's still a free country i

4535
02:55:41,910 --> 02:55:37,600
think

4536
02:55:44,790 --> 02:55:41,920
there are

4537
02:55:46,389 --> 02:55:44,800
much more logical reasonable

4538
02:55:48,150 --> 02:55:46,399
cost-effective ways of dealing with this

4539
02:55:51,910 --> 02:55:48,160
it seems to me

4540
02:55:55,750 --> 02:55:51,920
um yeah okay let me throw this out there

4541
02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:55,760
okay you and i uh are scheduled to go

4542
02:55:59,110 --> 02:55:58,000
over to manchester in 2021 right we're

4543
02:56:02,389 --> 02:55:59,120
going to speak

4544
02:56:07,190 --> 02:56:02,399
and for you to take that flight over to

4545
02:56:11,110 --> 02:56:09,830
and the uk is not going to i'm just

4546
02:56:13,269 --> 02:56:11,120
supposing here right

4547
02:56:15,910 --> 02:56:13,279
but they're not going to let you land

4548
02:56:18,309 --> 02:56:15,920
without proof of a vaccination or

4549
02:56:19,190 --> 02:56:18,319
the united states right now what do you

4550
02:56:20,469 --> 02:56:19,200
do

4551
02:56:24,230 --> 02:56:20,479
cross that bridge when i get there i

4552
02:56:27,590 --> 02:56:27,110
i don't know i don't know what i'll do

4553
02:56:31,590 --> 02:56:27,600
richard

4554
02:56:33,389 --> 02:56:31,600
bleep and dolan

4555
02:56:34,710 --> 02:56:33,399
all right tell us about richard

4556
02:56:37,750 --> 02:56:34,720
dolanmembers.com

4557
02:56:41,110 --> 02:56:37,760
and and how often uh what night

4558
02:56:43,830 --> 02:56:41,120
uh what day are you youtubing live

4559
02:56:45,510 --> 02:56:43,840
oh well i haven't done as much of it

4560
02:56:47,429 --> 02:56:45,520
lately but it's tuesday night

4561
02:56:48,870 --> 02:56:47,439
is my night when i do my live stream on

4562
02:56:51,910 --> 02:56:48,880
youtube

4563
02:56:53,670 --> 02:56:51,920
uh so that will be either a richard olin

4564
02:56:57,030 --> 02:56:53,680
show where i have an interview

4565
02:56:58,950 --> 02:56:57,040
or uh or tracy and i will do an

4566
02:57:02,230 --> 02:56:58,960
intelligent disclosure now we've not

4567
02:57:03,670 --> 02:57:02,240
done one of those for a little while

4568
02:57:04,870 --> 02:57:03,680
that doesn't mean that we won't do them

4569
02:57:06,950 --> 02:57:04,880
in the future i would just want people

4570
02:57:10,710 --> 02:57:06,960
to know who've been following this

4571
02:57:12,389 --> 02:57:10,720
um i've been i've been a little quiet

4572
02:57:13,990 --> 02:57:12,399
uh not totally because i've been very

4573
02:57:14,870 --> 02:57:14,000
active with my website over at ritual

4574
02:57:19,030 --> 02:57:14,880
and members

4575
02:57:21,349 --> 02:57:19,040
the folks who are there know that um

4576
02:57:22,630 --> 02:57:21,359
but i had been working on writing i'm

4577
02:57:24,630 --> 02:57:22,640
really trying to get this book done i'm

4578
02:57:27,429 --> 02:57:24,640
calling it alien agendas

4579
02:57:28,630 --> 02:57:27,439
and i'm excited about it it's actually i

4580
02:57:30,070 --> 02:57:28,640
was going to do it as a little booklet

4581
02:57:32,710 --> 02:57:30,080
but it's turned into a book

4582
02:57:33,269 --> 02:57:32,720
and i want that thing done and then i

4583
02:57:35,030 --> 02:57:33,279
want to

4584
02:57:37,349 --> 02:57:35,040
finish the book on the fourth stage of

4585
02:57:38,710 --> 02:57:37,359
humanity and yes there will be a history

4586
02:57:39,590 --> 02:57:38,720
book on volume three of national

4587
02:57:40,950 --> 02:57:39,600
security state

4588
02:57:43,510 --> 02:57:40,960
but see jimmy isn't it good that i

4589
02:57:46,710 --> 02:57:43,520
hadn't done it yet all this history

4590
02:57:48,389 --> 02:57:46,720
i know right yes right right right

4591
02:57:49,830 --> 02:57:48,399
just as well you would have had to have

4592
02:57:52,630 --> 02:57:49,840
done a part four

4593
02:57:55,349 --> 02:57:52,640
and i like i don't want to do that i'll

4594
02:57:57,990 --> 02:57:55,359
talk to you we'll do a part three

4595
02:57:59,750 --> 02:57:58,000
and we'll wrap it up then and we'll let

4596
02:58:01,590 --> 02:57:59,760
someone else pick it up from there

4597
02:58:03,910 --> 02:58:01,600
richard bleep and dolan thank you so

4598
02:58:04,870 --> 02:58:03,920
much man and we can't wait three months

4599
02:58:07,990 --> 02:58:04,880
that's just

4600
02:58:09,830 --> 02:58:08,000
crazy that uh we did it this time but

4601
02:58:11,110 --> 02:58:09,840
there you go thank you so much give our

4602
02:58:12,710 --> 02:58:11,120
best to tracy

4603
02:58:14,469 --> 02:58:12,720
and i can't wait to hang out with you

4604
02:58:15,030 --> 02:58:14,479
again and i don't know when that's going

4605
02:58:16,790 --> 02:58:15,040
to be

4606
02:58:18,389 --> 02:58:16,800
but i hope it's sooner than later one

4607
02:58:19,429 --> 02:58:18,399
day it will happen my friend

4608
02:58:20,790 --> 02:58:19,439
thank you for having me on it was a

4609
02:58:22,150 --> 02:58:20,800
pleasure you're the best thank you

4610
02:58:24,710 --> 02:58:22,160
richard

4611
02:58:26,590 --> 02:58:24,720
and uh i want to remind everybody it's

4612
02:58:28,309 --> 02:58:26,600
very simple

4613
02:58:30,230 --> 02:58:28,319
richarddolenmembers.com and of course

4614
02:58:31,030 --> 02:58:30,240
all of uh richard's great books and

4615
02:58:33,510 --> 02:58:31,040
authors

4616
02:58:36,630 --> 02:58:33,520
are at richard dolan press.com links are

4617
02:58:38,870 --> 02:58:36,640
over at jimmychurchradio.com

4618
02:58:41,510 --> 02:58:38,880
yeah that was a great conversation

4619
02:58:43,590 --> 02:58:41,520
waited three months for that

4620
02:58:46,550 --> 02:58:43,600
it was worth it and he liked the way i

4621
02:58:48,710 --> 02:58:46,560
know he's probably uh

4622
02:58:50,469 --> 02:58:48,720
listening right now i skipped over that

4623
02:58:53,670 --> 02:58:50,479
commercial break

4624
02:58:55,110 --> 02:58:53,680
i did that on purpose yeah richard you

4625
02:58:57,110 --> 02:58:55,120
know i did thank you for

4626
02:58:59,110 --> 02:58:57,120
for hanging in there beta blacks

4627
02:58:59,990 --> 02:58:59,120
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